Sorry boss.... I want him to win. I just don't understand people who say it's going to be easy or that it's not even going to be close. That's delusional.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
If Real Conservatives™ concentrated more on fixing the excesses in government and less on who's sleeping with whom, what bathroom somebody chooses to use, and which drug(s) somebody prefers, they'd probably fare a lot better in elections

Stop making sense

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Sorry boss.... I want him to win. I just don't understand people who say it's going to be easy or that it's not even going to be close. That's delusional.

chellim1 - you would do yourself a great favor by living your life outside of the media sources. They are designed to make money by agitating those who are easily agitated. They own you by getting you to click and click and click.....and they go to the bank each time.

It's only August 14th. A lifetime awaits between now and November 8th. The things of which you suffer over so much don't matter a diddly right now. It'll be ok. The real indicators, the ones the liberal media can't manipulate or hide, clearly suggest that Trump will win a rather easy victory. Again....it's August 14th. Much can change and it can change either way.

Relax. You are getting overly worked up over things that you don't fully understand and couldn't control if you did. It's going to be ok. We're still winning. It's our election to lose.

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The real indicators, the ones the liberal media can't manipulate or hide, clearly suggest that Trump will win a rather easy victory.

Ok.... what are the real indicators?

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You are getting overly worked up over things that you don't fully understand and couldn't control if you did.

Perhaps you could explain it to me.
The mainstream media is not my sole source of information. I can largely ignore the media. I'm involved locally in the political process. I keep my eyes and ears open.

I'm in Connecticut and Trump held a rally at Sacred Heart last night so I decided to drive by and see for myself the kind of turn out he's getting.

Connecticut is a decidedly democrat state obviously, but the rally had a couple of thousand people for sure. The line before the event started was about 1.5 miles long with people just standing in over 100 degree heat index to see Trump. One of the hottest days of the year.

There was an anti trump rally across the street with maybe 60 people. In watching the local news, they appeared to be hundreds by how the camera put itself in the crowd, but it's not true.

There were just as many women of all ages as men standing in the line which to be honest I wasn't expecting.

I remember 8 years ago, many of us on this forum got behind Romney and felt confident there was no way he would loose to Obama, and I remember the way the demeanor on the forum changed after we found out he lost. I don't want to get my hopes up because I feel like this whole democratic process is all bullshit and the fix is in. However, the closer we get, the more excited I am for Trump.

I hope the majority of us don't have to have that feeling of being lost after this election. I think the US will never fully recover from another loss to the Clinton machine. For us old timers, conservatives and people who aren't so progressive, the way we think of the Greatness of the USA will be strictly in the past tense should Clinton come to power.

^^^^^^I agree^^^^^^

Something else to help the perspective. I was watching (by force) GMA in the hotel lounge this morning. Its all "olympics" right? Well Im sitting there not really paying attention drinking coffee. I see this chic all dressed up like a tennis competitor or something. Complete with perky hair and sweatband. Was she an olympian? Hell no. She was a reporter playing "dress up" looking cool for her report.

The message I took away from it is that it is just all so much bullshit....

Romney lost because Romney did not bring his game. He just spectated.

Romney was not elected because if those who "voted their conscience" those who "sat this one out" and similar behavior.

Trump is bringing it. And we have more than enough people to see him elected. But the bullshit of anything except Hillary or Trump exists outside if a questionable mind has to stop.

Yes, the System Is Rigged
By Patrick J. Buchanan

“I’m afraid the election is going to be rigged,” Donald Trump told voters in Ohio and Sean Hannity on Fox News. And that hit a nerve.

“Dangerous,” “toxic,” came the recoil from the media.

Trump is threatening to “delegitimize” the election results of 2016.

Well, if that is what Trump is trying to do, he has no small point. For consider what 2016 promised and what it appears about to deliver.

This longest of election cycles has rightly been called the Year of the Outsider. It was a year that saw a mighty surge of economic populism and patriotism, a year when a 74-year-old Socialist senator set primaries ablaze with mammoth crowds that dwarfed those of Hillary Clinton.

It was the year that a non-politician, Donald Trump, swept Republican primaries in an historic turnout, with his nearest rival an ostracized maverick in his own Republican caucus, Senator Ted Cruz.

More than a dozen Republican rivals, described as the strongest GOP field since 1980, were sent packing. This was the year Americans rose up to pull down the establishment in a peaceful storming of the American Bastille.

But if it ends with a Clintonite restoration and a ratification of the same old Beltway policies, would that not suggest there is something fraudulent about American democracy, something rotten in the state?

If 2016 taught us anything, it is that if the establishment’s hegemony is imperiled, it will come together in ferocious solidarity — for the preservation of their perks, privileges and power.

All the elements of that establishment — corporate, cultural, political, media — are today issuing an ultimatum to Middle America:

Trump is unacceptable.

Instructions are going out to Republican leaders that either they dump Trump, or they will cease to be seen as morally fit partners in power.

It testifies to the character of Republican elites that some are seeking ways to carry out these instructions, though this would mean invalidating and aborting the democratic process that produced Trump.

But what is a repudiated establishment doing issuing orders to anyone?

Why is it not Middle America issuing the demands, rather than the other way around?

Specifically, the Republican electorate should tell its discredited and rejected ruling class: If we cannot get rid of you at the ballot box, then tell us how, peacefully and democratically, we can be rid of you?

You want Trump out? How do we get you out?

The Czechs had their Prague Spring. The Tunisians and Egyptians their Arab Spring. When do we have our American Spring?

The Brits had their “Brexit,” and declared independence of an arrogant superstate in Brussels. How do we liberate ourselves from a Beltway superstate that is more powerful and resistant to democratic change?

Our CIA, NGOs and National Endowment for Democracy all beaver away for “regime change” in faraway lands whose rulers displease us.

How do we effect “regime change” here at home?

Donald Trump’s success, despite the near-universal hostility of the media, even much of the conservative media, was due in large part to the public’s response to the issues he raised.

He called for sending illegal immigrants back home, for securing America’s borders, for no amnesty. He called for an America First foreign policy to keep us out of wars that have done little but bleed and bankrupt us.

He called for an economic policy where the Americanism of the people replaces the globalism of the transnational elites and their K Street lobbyists and congressional water carriers.

He denounced NAFTA, and the trade deals and trade deficits with China, and called for rejection of the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

By campaign’s end, he had won the argument on trade, as Hillary Clinton was agreeing on TPP and confessing to second thoughts on NAFTA.

But if TPP is revived at the insistence of the oligarchs of Wall Street, the Business Roundtable, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce — backed by conscript editorial writers for newspapers that rely on ad dollars — what do elections really mean anymore?

And if, as the polls show we might, we get Clinton — and TPP, and amnesty, and endless migrations of Third World peoples who consume more tax dollars than they generate, and who will soon swamp the Republicans’ coalition — what was 2016 all about?

Would this really be what a majority of Americans voted for in this most exciting of presidential races?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable,” said John F. Kennedy.

The 1960s and early 1970s were a time of social revolution in America, and President Nixon, by ending the draft and ending the Vietnam war, presided over what one columnist called the “cooling of America.”

But if Hillary Clinton takes power, and continues America on her present course, which a majority of Americans rejected in the primaries, there is going to a bad moon rising.

And the new protesters in the streets will not be overprivileged children from Ivy League campuses.

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All the elements of that establishment — corporate, cultural, political, media — are today issuing an ultimatum to Middle America:

Trump is unacceptable.

Instructions are going out to Republican leaders that either they dump Trump, or they will cease to be seen as morally fit partners in power.

F them and anyone that's swayed by this self-proclaimed mantle of moral authority by the lying Left.

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Originally posted by medic451:
(big picture)

I think I see what's going on there, but I'm not sure. I'm not always so great at interpreting symbolism.

What I see is this:

Some are being kept in the dark, only seeing what's offered to them by the "followers" of NBC, MTV, and CNN. Those followers are only partly in the dark, but their cloaks indicate blind following as opposed to free thinking. Others are boldly climbing out of the hole, unsure of what's ahead and so brightly illuminated. As for the one with the green head, I'm totally lost.

Clarify, please?

Romney lost because he was on the waverunner behind his wife.


I'm good

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
Romney lost because he was on the waverunner behind his wife.


I'm good

He also leads from behind.

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Originally posted by vthoky:

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Originally posted by medic451:
(big picture)

I think I see what's going on there, but I'm not sure. I'm not always so great at interpreting symbolism.

What I see is this:

Some are being kept in the dark, only seeing what's offered to them by the "followers" of NBC, MTV, and CNN. Those followers are only partly in the dark, but their cloaks indicate blind following as opposed to free thinking. Others are boldly climbing out of the hole, unsure of what's ahead and so brightly illuminated. As for the one with the green head, I'm totally lost.

Clarify, please?

The picture is a reference to the allegory of the cave from Plato's Republic.

People are kept in a cave and shown only a shadow of the real world. Being released from the cave (by philosophy) leads them into the light, which hurts, and allows them to truly perceive the real world.

The original metaphor is purely about philosophy and Plato's idea of the Forms, and not political, just to be clear.

The political cartoon is quite poignant, though. Don't get the one with the frog head either, however.

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Originally posted by vthoky:

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Originally posted by medic451:
(big picture)

I think I see what's going on there, but I'm not sure. I'm not always so great at interpreting symbolism.

What I see is this:

Some are being kept in the dark, only seeing what's offered to them by the "followers" of NBC, MTV, and CNN. Those followers are only partly in the dark, but their cloaks indicate blind following as opposed to free thinking. Others are boldly climbing out of the hole, unsure of what's ahead and so brightly illuminated. As for the one with the green head, I'm totally lost.

Clarify, please?

Pepe the frog-"Feels good man"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepe_the_Frog
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Originally posted by Oat_Action_Man:
The picture is a reference to the allegory of the cave from Plato's Republic.

I was close, I guess.

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Originally posted by medic451:
Pepe the frog-"Feels good man"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepe_the_Frog

Now I see.

Thanks, guys.

has anyone ever found evidence of voting machine errors that were in favor of republican candidates?

Is Trump running any ads during the Olympics? I haven't watched a lot of the Olympics (just an hour or two each night during prime time) but it seems like at least half the commercial breaks have a Hillary ad but I haven't seen a single Trump ad.

Now I would prefer no political ads for the Olympics (I know, better chance of winning the lotto) but if Hillary is running them so much, seems like Trump is missing an opportunity.

Or is it something else like NBC won't air his ads or I'm just missing them or something?

It doesn't matter. The election is already decided. We just have to wait until November to know the results.

I've never understood all this crap about this candidate "out-spending" that candidate, as if pouring money into a campaign is what is responsible for the victory. Ridiculous.

Oh, yes, the "undecided voters". Sure, yeah. All nine of them.

Bullseye, as usual.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
Romney lost because Romney did not bring his game. He just spectated.

Romney was not elected because if those who "voted their conscience" those who "sat this one out" and similar behavior.

Trump is bringing it. And we have more than enough people to see him elected. But the bullshit of anything except Hillary or Trump exists outside if a questionable mind has to stop.