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Another thing. Real conservatives ought to have nothing to do with any of this. Everyone concentrates on how government can do more. Real conservatives believe that government must do a lot less.

Yes!



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
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The trial of five-time deportee, seven-time convicted felon Juan Francisco Lopez Sanchez for the murder of young San Francisco resident Kate Steinle has been delayed until after the 2016 presidential election.

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Seems like many are way over-thinking this. The primaries are over, Cruz and Sanders are so yesterday. We have two (realistic) candidates left. However they got there, by hook or crook, they are what we have.

Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.

Only one of them supports the second amendment, only one loves our country for what it stands for, only one wants to put our country first, only one supports LEO, only one recognizes we need to support our veterans over immigration, only one speaks of immigration control, only one speaks of border security, only one speaks the truth on the problems we are facing, only one has a chance to nominate far-minded conservative justices, only one seems to have a view of the America I have.

The other is a pathological liar, a psychopath and wants to control every aspect of our lives.

Two very different candidates and views of America. There is a lot at stake here.

This is a pretty easy choice for me - Donald Trump.

Trump/Pence 2016




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Very poorly thought out, though.


The government has gotten so large and there are so may laws and regulations, one cannot keep up with them anymore, it's kaos.

The government needs to take a breather for a while, let the waters calm and then we figure out what is what and and what is then needed.

It is very difficult to rebuild an engine if it is still on and running.
One needs to turn it off before your rebuild it.

Actually I am well thought out, you just disagree.
Disagreement with me is fine.
Insulting me saying I am not well thought out is bogus. It was tantamount to calling me stupid, which I assure you I am not.

Correct me if am I wrong but have I ever insulted you?


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I Have contributed to the Trump campaign twice, $50 each time. As funds allow I will contribute another $50, and another...

There is much at stake this election year. The SC for the next 40 years and the direction of our country for the next 100. Quite honestly if Trump does not win I hope it collapses quicker rather than slower. I Would rather assist whatever needs assisting with what is left of my lifetime than let the burden fall on my 8 year old stepdaughter.
 
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Very poorly thought out, though.


The government has gotten so large and there are so may laws and regulations, one cannot keep up with them anymore, it's kaos.

The government needs to take a breather for a while, let the waters calm and then we figure out what is what and and what is then needed.

It is very difficult to rebuild an engine if it is still on and running.
One needs to turn it off before your rebuild it.

Actually I am well thought out, you just disagree.
Disagreement with me is fine.
Insulting me saying I am not well thought out is bogus. It was tantamount to calling me stupid, which I assure you I am not.

Correct me if am I wrong but have I ever insulted you?


Not at all. No insult intended. I regret that it came across that way, and you took it that way. Even if you had ever insulted me, and I don't think you have, I don't keep score. My reply was an attempt to play the ball, not the man.

The notion to reduce Congress to merely voting budgets is a non-starter. It wouldn't be a time out, a breather. That would be the end of the experiment, akin to court-packing, only worse.

There is no time out in real life, run like auto engines and heart surgery. That drastic an alteration in the fundamental responsibilities and allocation of power, so finely balanced by the Founders, would kill the patient. It would be impossible to put Humpty Dumpty together again.

In our system, we eventually end up with what the majority wants, as expressed in ballot boxes. As another LBJ taught, "when we have the votes, they do things our way. When they have the votes, we do things their way." So it is. When the drys had the votes, we had prohibition. When the wets had enough drys sick of it to switch, they had prohibition repealed. When many wanted slavery ended, they made it so. There were compromises along the way, each in turn becoming unsatisfactory.

I have thought for years that the battle over small government has been lost. The relationship between government and citizen has changed so profoundly, so fundamentally, that the prospect of cutting government to former levels like 100 years ago would have virtually no support, and you can't make 'em.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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I will go with the app is right!

LOS ANGELES — Despite a majority of opinion polls showing the 2016 presidential election going to Democrat Hillary Clinton, a smartphone app developer says his data suggests challenger Donald Trump will be the victor.

“Based on the stats we see, he looks strong,” says Ric Militi, co-founder of San Diego based Crazy Raccoons, maker of the Zip question and answer app. His app poses questions and polls responses based on an average of 100,000 daily users. “I go with Trump, based on what we see.”

According to the RealClearPolitics average of opinion polls, which are performed by calling people on landlines and cell phones, and answering questions on websites, Clinton leads with 47.8%, to Trump’s 41.0%.

Smartphone poll by Zip, the Q&A app differs from most other opinion polls. (Photo: Screen shot)

How can Zip’s results be so different?

“We’re not a poll. We’re a conversation, and 100% anonymous,” Militi says. “People feel comfortable answering questions without fear of being bullied or being called a racist. People can express themselves safely, and you get a pure answer.”

Militi and Zip co-founder Alanna Markey guested on an extended #TalkingTech podcast episode, explaining why they believe their app can become the “Google of opinions” by using the power of social media instead of calling people on the phone to get their opinions.
Zip, which launched in February, tells consumers the app “resolves debates and sparks conversation,” and suggests that folks use the app to “settle bets, win arguments, find a pick-up line and earn bragging rights.”

Folks can either pose or answer questions and see the instant results from a cross-section of demographics and geography.

Ric Militi, the CEO of Crazy Raccoons, which developed the Zip Q&A app.

The results don’t read like any poll you’ve seen reported in the last weeks, but instead like they have been answered primarily by the most ardent Trump supporters.

Some Zip questions:

— ”New polls suggest Trump is getting crushed by Clinton. Do they reflect how you are going to vote?” Some 64% told Zip they would vote for Trump, compared to 36% for Clinton. In the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll, Clinton leads Trump, 42% to 36%.

— ”California, who you voting for?” Trump got 55%, compared to 45% for Clinton. In the latest Public Policy Institute of California poll, Clinton has a 16-point advantage over Trump, 46% to 30%.

— "What do you honestly think Trump meant by saying "The 2nd amendment people can do something about Hillary? Vote against her? 63% Assassinate her 37%”

Militi insists his replies are a cross-section of voters in age, gender and geography. “These are the same results we saw when he (Trump) was in the primaries,” he says. He contends that most media polls are just flat-out wrong and that smartphone answers are the future.

Douglas Rivers, a Stanford University political science professor and chief scientist for YouGov, which conducts online polls with such partners as CBS and the Economist, disagrees. “What do they know about these people?” Rivers says. “We worry a lot about who we’re talking to.”

So either the traditional polls are right or Militi is onto something, with a different way of polling that lets citizens answer more openly. We'll find out on Nov. 8, when voters go to the real polls.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/...n-election/88640044/




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We'll find out on Nov. 8, when voters go to the real polls.



That we will. That indeed we will.


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Donald Trump Rally Breaks Elton John’s Attendance Record At River City Arena
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Americans seem to be hungry to Make America Great Again as they fill up venues again and again for billionaire presidential candidate Donald Trump, and the Baton Rouge River Center in Baton Rouge, AL is no exception.

Trump attracted so many supporters that the rally was delayed as they waited for the thousands of people who were in a line wrapping around the arena to make their way in. Trump’s attendees smashed the previous record of legendary musician Elton John who pulled in 8,000 fans to hear him play. The Donald filled the seats with an estimated 12,000 supporters.

The suggestion that the star of a reality t.v. show could become the next president of the United States was seen as a far fetched, and even laughable idea when it was first proposed, but over the last year, Trump has catapulted to the head of the presidential candidates. How has he done this? What is his formula for success?

Trump support has surged due to the fact that he is critical of the same things that Americans are critical of. Americans want the border secured, and the law enforced. Trump has pledged to build a wall, and in addition to that, have Mexico pay for it.

Supporters of Trump are tired of an administration who tries to play down the fact that Islamic terrorists are Islamic, and to this day, will not acknowledge that Islam has anything to do with the Islamic State. Trump not only recognizes the truth that all Muslims are not Islamic terrorists, but all Islamic terrorists are Muslim, and has a plan of keeping America safe.

In addition, Trump is a successful businessman, and now that Barack Obama has printed $1 trillion a year, and doubled the National Debt to an unsustainable $19,000,000,000,000, Americans are feeling like it is important to have somebody who knows business to keep he country from teetering into an economic collapse.

It’s no surprise that Donald Trump does not worry about being politically correct, and though that is a negative for the Liberal media, Trump supporters are finding that kind of honesty to be refreshing, and a sharp contrast the “typical politicians and lawyers,” that go to Washington.

The grass roots movement supporting Trump, and the record breaking numbers he has been drawing at his political rallies might just be an indication that he will be sitting in the Oval Office within a year.




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We'll find out on Nov. 8, when voters go to the real polls.



That we will. That indeed we will.

No, we find out on December 19, 2016.





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We'll find out on Nov. 8, when voters go to the real polls.



That we will. That indeed we will.

No, we find out on December 19, 2016.


I'm quite sure we'll have a pretty good idea how the voters vote on November 8th.


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I've been rereading the bio of Harry Truman by David McCullough.

I just got through the election of 1948 where Truman defeated Thomas Dewey of New York. Truman was thought to be a sure loser. He trailed in the polls the entire way. Editorials were not quite unanimous in backing Dewey, and into October, many editors stopped worrying about the pending election and started writing about Dewey's Cabinet. The election was "fait accompli."

Newspapers reported all the demeaning details, the miscues, the poorly thought out comments Truman and his supporters made. He was a rube, a rural hick, an uneducated buffoon, unsophisticated, who had gotten where he had by accident and the political machine in Kansas City. For six months, Truman was castigated by southern Democrats, repudiated by Republican Congress, ridiculed and demeaned over the new balcony on the WH, Palestine, Berlin. The party was broke. The liberals went off to run their own guy as did the Dixiecrats. Truman was portrayed as pathetic and inept, hardly a fitting successor to the refined educated Roosevelt. He had to settle for a Vice presidential running mate who was third or fourth choice; the convention was a sleeper.

The Washington Post took a survey of 50 leading editors, columnists, pundits, prognosticators and commentators about who would be the new President. That august crowd called it 50-0 for Dewey.

Truman called the heavily Republican controlled Congress into special session and "dared" them to enact their program, put up or shut up. They didn't, of course.

Truman whistlestopped all over the country, except the old south which was either a lost cause or a sure thing, giving a dozen or more speeches every day from the rear car of his train. People could see and hear him, a vivid contrast with Dewey who was cold, formal, standoffish, "like the groom on a wedding cake" somebody described him as.

Truman was never daunted by these difficulties. He won anyway, despite these difficulties. All the analysts, pollsters, savants, columnists were mistaken. Fred Allen, a popular radio comedian, said, "Truman was the first President to lose in a gallup and win in a walk."




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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I will go with the app is right!


Some Zip questions:

— ”New polls suggest Trump is getting crushed by Clinton. Do they reflect how you are going to vote?” Some 64% told Zip they would vote for Trump, compared to 36% for Clinton. In the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll, Clinton leads Trump, 42% to 36%.

— ”California, who you voting for?” Trump got 55%, compared to 45% for Clinton. In the latest Public Policy Institute of California poll, Clinton has a 16-point advantage over Trump, 46% to 30%.

— "What do you honestly think Trump meant by saying "The 2nd amendment people can do something about Hillary? Vote against her? 63% Assassinate her 37%”

Militi insists his replies are a cross-section of voters in age, gender and geography. “These are the same results we saw when he (Trump) was in the primaries,” he says. He contends that most media polls are just flat-out wrong and that smartphone answers are the future.

Douglas Rivers, a Stanford University political science professor and chief scientist for YouGov, which conducts online polls with such partners as CBS and the Economist, disagrees. “What do they know about these people?” Rivers says. “We worry a lot about who we’re talking to.”

So either the traditional polls are right or Militi is onto something, with a different way of polling that lets citizens answer more openly. We'll find out on Nov. 8, when voters go to the real polls.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/...n-election/88640044/


I took a look at this app. Of course, I can't tell whether or not their stats are reliable, but if they are, the MSM and the polls are barking up a dead tree. Trump by a landslide.

Interesting app.

Thanks for the link.

RMD




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or the punitive tax measures proffered by Donald Trump,


Say what???

Can you explain how reducing taxes for businesses and individuals is punitive?


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"Polling" this far ahead of an election will always reflect results desired by those paying for the "poll."

The only time MSM "poilling" is allowed to actually reflect something statistically significant is in the last month before the election. They want to influence the result for as long as they can by championing the Democrat in the race but, eventually, they have to switch to reporting the actual results of a legitimate polling so they don't look ridiculous on election day.

For now, all you'll see are "polls" that show Hitlery winning and Trump being accused of everything possible. However, Americans are mostly uneducated and have very short memories.

By late September, when the televised debates start, and into early October, you'll see that the MSM will report a "miraculous" turnaround for Trump and he'll start to lead, slightly, in their polls. They will have done all they can to help Hitlery and they will then have to start to explain how Trump wins in November.

Truth be known, Trump is already winning easily. This election will not be all that close (popular or EC.) The libs, and the lib media, already know this. They'll try to do as much damage as they can until their own future and reputation demands they start to lay the groundwork for explaining how Trump won.

Relax and rejoice, folks. We're winning.
 
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Truman is the first political biography I read by McCullough and then I went out and picked up the others

I agree with beej that while we have 3 co-equal branches of government, the real fact is we don't

we have a president that does what he wants by excutive order, we have government organizations with rule making powers that have the effect of laws, we have a congress that dos nothing of importance to the people and we have a supreme court that provides neither check nor balances on the other two

we really do have as close to a dictatorship that has ever existed in this country, and neither of the two checks is at all interested in putting a stop to whats going on

like it or not we have one choice and that's Trump. Which is OK because I think he intends to do the right thing and I trust him to pick good people that will do real work. Can't say the same things about the competition. And thats what scares the republicans.



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Donald Trump’s string of endorsements continue to roll in, despite the mainstream media portraying this last week as a disaster for the GOP nominee.

The latest U.S. governor to climb aboard the Trump Train is Utah’s Gary Herbert. Herbert cited his longstanding acquaintance with vice-presidential pick Mike Pence as one of the contributing factors in his decision, but had positive comments about Trump as well.


“Pressed about Trump’s recent statements and pronouncements on campaign stops, the governor said he was not an “apologist” for the GOP presidential nominee.

“‘Some of the things people like about Mr. Trump are his unvarnished comments,’ Herbert said. ‘Clearly, what pops into his head and comes out of his mouth are not filtered. People find that refreshing. At the same time, that’s off-putting to others.’

“The governor expressed hope that Trump would mellow over time.

“‘How you campaign is not necessarily how you govern,’ the governor said, adding: ‘All the candidates say things I don’t agree with.'”

Herbert’s words will certainly resonate with a weary and uncertain GOP base who have yet to fall into stride completely with their chosen nominee, even though Trump’s numbers are strong.

http://patriotupdate.com/trump...atorial-endorsement/




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Another thing. Real conservatives ought to have nothing to do with any of this. Everyone concentrates on how government can do more. Real conservatives believe that government must do a lot less.

Yes!


I agree, but having nothing to do with any of them is not much of an option. I know the hag will be terrible for the country. Trump has a good chance of also being terrible and continuing our imperial executive branch. The congress won't oppose the hag. They may oppose Trump. I think we have a small chance to regain some check on the rampaging executive under trump, and if not, if we really are now the banana Republic it looks like we are becoming, then I think generalissimo Trump is better for me and the nation than empress Hillary.


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Another thing. Real conservatives ought to have nothing to do with any of this. Everyone concentrates on how government can do more. Real conservatives believe that government must do a lot less. Trouble is, there is no money in it, ...

See, now you're kinda talking like a libertarian. (N.B.: Libertarians aren't anarchists, no matter what the boogyman mongerers on the right and left claim.)

If Real Conservatives™ concentrated more on fixing the excesses in government and less on who's sleeping with whom, what bathroom somebody chooses to use, and which drug(s) somebody prefers, they'd probably fare a lot better in elections.

Michigan is about as a blue a state as you'll find. Oh, not the entire state, but, as typical: The population-dense urban centers skew it that way. Nonetheless: Rick Snyder was elected, twice, and has survived two recall efforts.

He's made some decisions with which I did not agree. Some that angered me. But, overall, he's not done a half bad job.

I'm certain many here would not vote for Snyder because he's not "conservative enough." He's particularly averse to government meddling in social issues, which annoys both liberals and conservatives.



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For God's sake, give it a rest. I'm sick of hearing the negativity from you. I think it was a good idea for you to not be posting in this thread. A very good idea.

You say you want Trump to win, but it's apparent that you don't. I don't want to hear any more about it from you.
 
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