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Gotta love it. Trump, I'm taking the gloves off, no more Mr. Nice Guy. Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=037kCrTqo4g ______________________________________________________________________________ My grandfather voted republican until the day he died, now he votes democrat. | |||
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From a correspondent: WHAT ARE MY CHOICES? The folks speaking out against Trump are helping me make up my mind a little more every day! Is he the Perfect Candidate whose thoughts mirrors mine on all fronts? NOPE Does he say everything the way I wish he would say it? NOPE Am I absolutely sure that his motives are absolutely Pure? NOPE Can I point to any other Dem Politician that I like better? NOPE Is there any of the other RINO Politicians I like better? NOPE Am I going to sit home, refuse to Vote, and let Hillary win; because he is NOT Perfect? NOPE Do I like what I have seen for the last 7-1/2 years with the guy that sleeps in my White House? NOPE Do I like the "fundamental changes" that same guy has brought about in MY America? NOPE OK, your turn to decide what you are going to do in about 4 months! Trump's presidential qualifications… Obama is against Trump... Check The Media are against Trump... Check The establishment Democrats are against Trump... Check The establishment Republicans are against Trump... Check The Pope is against Trump... Check The UN is against Trump... Check The EU is against Trump... Check China is against Trump... Check Mexico is against Trump... Check Soros is against Trump... Check Black Lives Matter is against Trump... Check Move On is against Trump... Check Koch Brothers are against Trump... Check Bushes are against Trump ... Check Planned Parenthood is against Trump....Check Hillary & Bernie are both against Trump ... Check Illegal aliens are against Trump ... Check Islam is against Trump ... Check Kasich is against Trump ... Check Hateful, racist, violent Liberals are against Trump.. Check NOW THAT BEING SAID... It seems to me, Trump MUST BE the Best Qualified Candidate we could ever have. If you have so many political insiders and left wing NUT CASES--- all SCARED TO DEATH, that they all speak out against him at the same time! Most of all, it will be the People's Choice... PLUS He's not a Lifetime Politician...Check He's not a Lawyer.....Check He's not doing it for the money...Check He's a Natural Born American Citizen born in the USA from American parents. . . Bonus points ! Whoopi says she will leave the country... Rosie says she will leave the country... Sharpton says he will leave the country... Cher says she will leave the country... Cyrus says she will leave the country... The Constitution and the Bill of Rights will prevail.... Hillary will go to jail..... The budget will be balanced in 8 years.... Americans will have first choice at jobs..... You will not be able to marry your pet.... You will be able to keep your gun(s) if you qualify... (Not a criminal or crazy, etc.) Only living, registered U.S. citizens can vote.... MUST SHOW ID TO VOTE... You can have and keep your own doctor..... You can say whatever you want without being called a racist, Islamophobic, xenophobic, etc.... He will make AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! Come to think of it, we have no place to go, but UP!... Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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I just donated $200 to Donald's campaign. My first ever political donation. I wish I could afford more! | |||
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Good for you! His is my first ever campaign I have gave money to also. And I've been voting since Nixon. We stand on a precipice about to jump in as a country. Trump "hopefully" will be our parachute. | |||
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From what I've seen in the media, the Hag has way more money coming in to fund her campaign than Trump, so at the moment maybe he's spending ad money where he thinks it would be most cost effective. Just a guess though. I'm sure tv will become more saturated with all sorts of political ads as we get closer to November. I'm already getting tired of them & it's only July. Hell, it may even get to the point that political ads outnumber ads for lawyers! ------------------------------------------------ "It's hard to imagine a more stupid or dangerous way of making decisions, than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong." Thomas Sowell | |||
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Earlier in the month, I gave $100 to the DT campaign. I've never donated to a political cause before. Tony. Owner, TonyBen, LLC, Type-07 FFL www.tonybenm14.com (Site under construction). e-mail: tonyben@tonybenm14.com | |||
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Well, they got involved! Refused to endorse or help get Trump elected. Based on recent actions and words on their part, I figure they are part of the insider establishment, and are more worried about losing their pull in DC than in helping the country. Elk There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour) "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. " -Thomas Jefferson "America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville FBHO!!! The Idaho Elk Hunter | |||
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Really? The Koch brothers have been the target of a lot of scorn and derision, when it comes to just how deeply tied they are to conservative politics.... but not the "insider establishment" RNC. Trump in turn has blasted the Kochs and other major conservative donors as puppeteers to whom his GOP primary rivals were beholden, while he touted the independence from Big Money he said he achieved by largely self-financing his campaign. But the billionaire first-time candidate has dialed back his anti-donor rhetoric since he clinched the GOP nomination and began active fundraising for a general election campaign in which his Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton, and her allies are expected to spend upward of $1.5 billion. Trump and the Kochs were in Colorado Springs on Friday for different events. Attempts were made to encourage a meeting, but it wasn’t to be. “It is not going to happen,” said one of the Republicans, adding that the Kochs appear unlikely to back away from their repeated declarations that they don’t plan to spend any money in the presidential race, and will instead refocus their spending down ballot. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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I find it difficult to ascribe "insider/establishment" labels any more. Isn't the real complaint about those who buy policy/legislative approaches/votes with campaign contributions? Many insiders and establishment people are now supporting Trump as the nominee. The Koch brothers as well as Ryan and others are wanting more open borders and aren't the Koch brothers unwilling to yield on that point? If so, aren't the Kochs saying that they are willing to support or buy an open border/global policy with their money? To me, the Kochs' unwillingness to support Trump because he won't give in on those issues/policies, seem the reason why they won't budge? If Hillary will give the Kochs the national policy they want, then they seem to be trying to thread between Hillary's broader destruction of the liberty that the Kochs generally don't seek while trying to load Congress with Republicans who will fight the will of the voters if Trump is elected? Down ballot Koch-approved victors could produce a veto-proof result as members may be beholding to the Kochs. If Hillary wins, the same policies would be pushed in Congress. So either way, the Kochs up their chance to get what they want. Trump stands in their way. Isn't this what made Trump so popular? . . . to stop policies driven by donors. Republicans and Independents have sent many to Congress in years past only to see them neutered by special interest seemingly controlling other members. That's why Ryan and McConnell are not thoroughly liked and the last budget seems to confirm that Ryan and McConnell are not listening to the people. Again, it now seems to be more about donors/special interests instead of insiders/outsiders. Whether the Koch brothers are inside or outside, they are certainly wielding their money to have their desired policies turn into law - regardless of what the voters seek and regardless of what many believe our country may need at this time. Trump has been standing strong on immigration as well as retaining sovereignty and the Kochs can't squeeze Trump to change - at least so far.  Money is needed to fund a Republican victory. It is not that Trump said in the primaries that he is self-funding, it is that he needed to show the voters that he is not for sale. The Kochs are seemingly reinforcing the very point that Trump set out to prove: no one's money will buy his subservience. _______________________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Range Safety Officer | |||
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Just for fun today I added up the Facebook likes for Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton and Jill Stein total of 9,693,661 combined for the 3 on the decidedly very liberal FB. Donald Trump has 9,937,216 http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/...book-by-a-landslide/ Stay in the Fight! | |||
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This really has nothing to do with Trump... They had been pulling back from national electoral politics long before Trump was the nominee: Yet according to interviews with numerous people close to the brothers, including a half-dozen sources with direct knowledge of developments inside their donor network and political operation, the scope of recent changes extends well beyond their inactivity in the presidential race. These sources point to mounting evidence — reduced budgets, the shuttering and streamlining of departments, the elimination of grants to allied political organizations, and the departure of top executives — demonstrating a shift of resources and attention away from federal campaign activity. In the months leading up to the Wichita meeting, confidantes and key allies of the Kochs, including some in the room that day, had sensed this transformation was underway. As early as the spring of 2015, some had noticed a change in the brothers’ perspectives and priorities that only grew more apparent as the year wore on. Concerned about the damage being done to their corporate brand, increasingly bothered by their public vilification, and convinced after Republicans’ 2014 Senate takeover that even significant victories were having a negligible impact on federal policymaking, the Kochs began signaling to their closest allies that they were reevaluating their approach to politics. They had always believed that building the intellectual foundation for libertarian ideas in think tanks and universities — and supporting important public-policy initiatives at the state and local levels — paid greater long-term dividends than spending on elections. And more and more, they worried that campaigns could actually prove detrimental to their educational and advocacy work. The Kochs’ corporate associates and public-relations team had warned them their involvement in politics could sully their legacies, and now they were beginning to agree. http://www.nationalreview.com/...paign-activity-slows I'll let you make what you want of his reaction to not getting the meeting for the chance to ask for the money:
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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When you say it, it makes it sound like he requested the meeting and was turned down.
When he says it, it makes it sound as if somebody else requested it and he turned it down. Since I'm assuming he was there, and you weren't, I'll take Trump's word. I believe that none of the parties requested a meeting. Those doing the requesting were independent third parties, and both Trump and the Kochs declined. | |||
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Yep. I doubt that he picked up the phone and personally asked the Koch brothers to meet with him. So we are in agreement that emissaries were likely involved. Still, the Koch brothers expressed a desire not to be involved a long time ago. His tweet is probably not ... helpful. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Its not helpful to them. But the media has engrained the evil koch brothers. So on the fence middle voters may like seeing that. What man is a man that does not make the world better. -Balian of Ibelin Only boring people get bored. - Ruth Burke | |||
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Here is what Charles Koch is reported by thehill.com to have said today at the donor retreat: "Koch said he believes neither Clinton nor Trump will fight for the issues he cares about: free trade, reducing the scope of government programs such as social security, paring back foreign military engagements, ending corporate subsidies, cutting regulations and the equal treatment of all ethnic and religious groups." It seems to me that he says it IS because Trump will not pursue what Koch wants. Koch also said that he wanted to keep the donor money from supporting Hillary or Trump. Other donors in the network do not see it that way. Furthermore, based on Koch's statement, Trump wants many of the same things but Koch implies that Trump does not wish to do things the way Koch wants them done. For instance, Koch says he wants "paring back military engagements" but Trump is being criticized for wanting to pare back our military engagements. And, etc. Koch seems to have a Goldilocks view of what he wants and it appears that neither Hillary nor Trump will deliver it in Koch's specific way. Koch seems to say that the "equal treatment" aspect of Trump's policy, a signature Trump policy to treat possible foreign invaders as people that need to be found, is a bridge too far. It is important to note that before Trump, the left was in the process of using political correctness to shut down anything seemingly not leftist by making up such concepts as "trigger words" and "microaggressions" while shouting down any conversation that gave them the vapors. Trump pushes the discussion past, "You can't say that." Policy issues are hard to formulate in the midst of a crisis. I have read many articles about how leaders in Europe are even saying now that Europe is gone as a result of their careless immigration policies. Slowing down to have an organized and vetted approach appeals to a majority of Americans. Registering Muslims is certainly a provocative policy. But, Trump tosses large ideas into the arena for discussion. For some, such things are a downside with Trump but he starts many good conversations that only emerge after the apoplexy settles down. That Koch did not list Supreme Court appointments as a key issue for Koch says volumes - at least to me. That Koch did not list immigration policy as a reason to support Trump who wants to vet and Hillary who wants to hype the non-vetted stream by 550% is also telling. Reagan (like Trump states he intends) used targeted tariffs unlike what Koch appears to want. There is so much to say but the Koch brothers as well as the #nevertrumps may suffer a marginalizing fate as a result of their election actions this time around. _______________________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Range Safety Officer | |||
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He may not support Trump (or Hillary) but as was pointed out above... the Koch brothers intended long before Trump was the nominee to scale back their involvement in national electoral politics at the Presidential level. They feel that they have gotten nothing but grief and bad press for their money and involvement. They feel their money is better spent on educational efforts. Personally, I don't like the Trump attack on the Koch brothers. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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I donate to his campaign 100 dollars monthly since lying TED drop out. This is a must win year now or never. | |||
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Last summer and this spring, the Koch Brother Network met to discuss who they would support for president and they never invited Trump. Thehill.com reported in February of this year that, "(t)he Kochs declined to invite Trump as one of the presidential candidates to attend a donor gathering last summer. The attendees were Rubio, Bush, Cruz, and Fiorina. In response, Trump unloaded on Twitter. "'I wish good luck to all of the Republican candidates that traveled to California to beg for money etc. from the Koch Brothers. Puppets?" the billionaire wrote.'" I guess there is a history of rough talk between the Koch brothers and Trump but there are hundreds of other donors in that network. As seen in the article cited below, they even considered using money to oppose Trump in the primary. If the network was not going to spend money on the presidential election, they have not been acting like it by their meetings and statements. It looks like they were just not going to put money into a Trump candidacy. It will be interesting to see what the hundreds of network donors do now. Last summer and during this spring, several sounded like #nevertrumps. Link _______________________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Range Safety Officer | |||
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