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Originally posted by Shackelford:
Maximus, the report is fully consistent with what he has said many times in the past.

I find it interesting that I'm supposed to be appalled at Cruz not honoring his pledge to support the nominee, as a defense for a candidate who refuses to honor our pledge to our NATO allies.

What do you know about NATO? Do you think all 28 nations always honor their article 5 pledge? Did they all send troops to Afghanistan when we invoked article 5? So you honestly think it is in the US interest to go to nuclear war with Russia over tiny Baltic states that have no actual meaning to us? Do you think Muslim Turkey is our ally and we should go to war to defend them?

Fuck NATO, it's an organization whose time is gone. Nowadays it will serve to precipitate WW3 more likely than do us any strategic good. It protects us from no one. I liked during the campaign when trump said we would leave NATO. What is its purpose? Of course we should Welch on it, they have welched on us.

^^^^
Good job Cruz. I'm ashamed I voted for you in the primary.

All this "conscience" crap from him and Kasich is just cowardice. To cowardly to admit they were beaten fair and square, too cowardly to honor the oath they took. If they won't honor an oath to support the eventual candidate, what makes anyone think they would uphold their oath to support and defend the Constitution if they were elected?

Voting is more than a right, it is an obligation. An obligation to all of those who helped found this country and make it the greatest place to live the world has ever known. It is an obligation to preserve what we have been given, and to pass it onto our children so that they may enjoy it's benefits.

So go ahead, vote your "conscience" (i.e., stay home).
Your conscience won't reduce the debt.
Your conscience won't revive the economy.
Your conscience won't stop illegal immigration.
Your conscience won't stop the importation of jihads.
Your conscience won't take the fight to ISIS and protect the homeland.
Your conscience won't appoint justices who will uphold the Constitution.
Your conscience won't support our only ally in the middle east, Israel.
Your conscience does not believe all lives matter.

Go ahead, vote your conscience. Hillary thanks you.

The only good thing to come from this is that we will never have to suffer Ted Cruz sliming a national stage again.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...ote-your-conscience/

1 Just hours before Ted Cruz took the stage for his convention speech Wednesday night, senior members of Cruz’s team were still pushing him to endorse Donald Trump.

Cruz never wanted to endorse Trump and is still furious about the personal attacks the GOP presidential nominee made on his family during the primary campaign, sources familiar with the speech preparations told The Hill.

2. part of Cruz speech: “And citizens are furious — rightly furious — at a political establishment that cynically breaks its promises and ignores the will of the people.”

3. Cruz entered a donor suite at the arena after the speech, and was told, to his face, that he was a “disgrace.” One man was so angry at Cruz that he had to be “physically restrained,” and Heidi Cruz had to be escorted from the convention floor because of heckling by Trump delegates.


4. Donald Trump: Wow, Ted Cruz got booed off the stage, didn't honor the pledge! I saw his speech two hours early but let him speak anyway. No big deal!

I wrote last night that Cruz lost the opportunity of a lifetime. All he had to say was "vote for Trump" and the building would have rocked as the crowd would have cheered on and on.

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Originally posted by Shackelford:
No way in hell I'd vote for this anti-American assclown.

In that case. you're a fool, because there is only one alternative.

Somewhere in the previous pages of this thread, I've said- more than once- that I am not going to tolerate this nonsense. You can do whatever you want with your vote, but we do not have to listen to this stuff. It's astonishingly ridiculous, and it's your problem, not ours.

"Get out of the new road if you can't lend a hand......."

This is the revolution that should have happened in the 60's.
No more a silent majority.

I am no longer even the least bit upset that Cruz lost the primary. Not...one...bit

I think we should coin a new word: CRUZ'd
Kinda like calling someone a Benedict Arnold.

As an adjective, it would mean someone totally devoid of honesty & integrity.

Hillary Clinton could now be referred to as a "Cruz".


As a verb, it would mean someone who had "totally shit their own bed."

You could say that Comey "CRUZ'd" himself.

If Cruz is so upset about an insult to his family that he is willing to torpedo the future of the entire country then he is unfit to hold ANY elected office. Many men have endured MUCH MORE than a few insults in the service of the nation.

Bye Cruz.

Cruz comes across as a smarmy little shit. I'm beginning to understand why virtually none of his colleagues like him.

I listened top the beginning of his speech, but it was so maudlin and cloying, I turned it off. Bad way to start a speech.

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Originally posted by mbinky:
If Cruz is so upset about an insult to his family that he is willing to torpedo the future of the entire country then he is unfit to hold ANY elected office. Many men have endured MUCH MORE than a few insults in the service of the nation.

Bye Cruz.

Not only that but what does he think it would've been like going up against the DNC machine?

I cheered him on while he was in the Senate because he was throwing punches at the Dems. But when he started campaigning for POTUS there was just something very off-putting about him. Always felt like I was being lectured or preached too.

That and he is just another typical career politician.

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Originally posted by mbinky:
If Cruz is so upset about an insult to his family that he is willing to torpedo the future of the entire country then he is unfit to hold ANY elected office. Many men have endured MUCH MORE than a few insults in the service of the nation.

Bye Cruz.

Well said! Good God, if mental mileage was linked to hair loss, George W. Bush would have been totally bald before he finished his two terms!

Stuart Varney this morning- "The Old Guard is in retreat, it's Trump's party."

I only hope this is the case, Gov Kasich if you cant even show up at your party's convention in YOUR state. It's gonna be like the "old guard" will have to start over as interns and beg their way back in. Good riddance, Ted, John & Jeb.

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Originally posted by arabiancowboy:
What do you know about NATO? Do you think all 28 nations always honor their article 5 pledge? Did they all send troops to Afghanistan when we invoked article 5? So you honestly think it is in the US interest to go to nuclear war with Russia over tiny Baltic states that have no actual meaning to us? Do you think Muslim Turkey is our ally and we should go to war to defend them?

Fuck NATO, it's an organization whose time is gone. Nowadays it will serve to precipitate WW3 more likely than do us any strategic good. It protects us from no one. I liked during the campaign when trump said we would leave NATO. What is its purpose? Of course we should Welch on it, they have welched on us.

Now this is not my election, but NATO happens to be my alliance. In fact the US is the only member to ever have invoked Article 5, which is rather ironic given that it was always considered the indispensable partner to help defend the European members against the immediate Soviet threat from an ocean away. Thus NATO was never seen as protecting the US (because the latter could protect itself) - other than in the global strategic way of forward defense and the free world finding political strength in unity against Communism.

As it is, every NATO partner did indeed deploy forces to Afghanistan - some in small numbers, but with considerable effort in relation to their national military strength. On another board, a Lithuanian (one of those tiny Baltic states) recently pointed out that during the 2008 elections in Afghanistan, theirs was the secondmost-deployed military in NATO there; just two combat companies in total terms, but this out of a single brigade's worth of land forces largely made up of non-deployable conscripts (by my rough calculation, this is akin to the US deploying two brigades). They also lost nine KIAs and 92 WIAs in ISAF, in addition to two KIA in Iraq (not a NATO operation).

The Eastern Europeans which now feel threatened by Russia have been particularly engaged in Afghanistan (and also Iraq) overall compared to many bigger Western members. Poland took over a brigade-level provincial command; they lost 37 KIA. But even Iceland, which has no military at all, deployed some coast guard personnel IIRC to secure Kabul airport. Altogether, NATO partners lost slightly over 1,000 KIAs in Afghanistan compared to about 2,200 Americans.

I note that the value of relationships with allies is one of those "our guy, the other guy" items in US politics. If the other guy snubs them by sending back Churchill busts from the White House and cancelling plans to build missile defense sites in Poland, people are duly outraged. If our guy announces he's going to make those wortless freeloaders pay for the priviledge of American-provided security or cut them lose, they cheer him on. I guess it's just human nature.

Canada should build a wall because there's gonna be a lot of "Undocumented Workers" heading north after the election.

quote:

Michael Moore Tells Bill Maher: "Trump Is Going to Win"

"Schwartz- a step toward the end of civilization."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.c...says-trump-is-913121


cruz is irrelevant now so why waste any time taking about him.

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Originally posted by braillediver:
Michael Moore Tells Bill Maher: "Trump Is Going to Win"

Michael Moore is and always will be a weakling, and his fearful attitude reflects this.

I think the best thing I've seen this cycle is pissed off white guys who are tired of being kicked in the nuts for the last several decades finally getting excited about a candidate. There are more than enough of us to win this.

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Originally posted by Shackelford:

No way in hell I'd vote for this anti-American assclown.

Cruz, Kasich, Bush, etc are career politicians & are just showing their true colors. With any luck this will be career ending for them all & be a wake up call for the rest of the Republican party to get their heads & asses wired together.

That's not likely to happen though, because the American public has a very short memory. Hell, most Americans have already forgotten the recent terrorist attacks on our soil, in Europe & all the cop asassinations & are moving on to more important matters, like how much ass one of the Kardashians showed yesterday on her Twatter page.

Cruz' speech was disgraceful, and revealed a selfish, phony, politician. He opened with the cheapest trick of the slick pol, The Tear Jerker. We've heard it a thousand times from Democrats, especially. It usually involves a child, cancer or some other tragedy, a pathetic letter or a tearful plea to the slick pol.

Every time he made what he thought was a winning point, he paused and smirked. "I am so wonderful!" His voice is oilier than his hair. On and on he went, a longer speech than even Donald's kids delivered, treating us to his exalted vision of ... well, of himself. And the wonder of his politics.

He tried to return to the story of the Dallas LEO's little girl that he was exploiting so shamelessly, but the crowd had had enough of this desperate little ego that would not leave the stage. They drowned him out with boos.

Trump's appearance while Ted was still flailing away on stage was the equivalent of the hook.

Goodbye, Ted, and good riddance to bad rubbish.