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Our leaders should know better.


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Are you still required to meet your responsibility?


Elk, I understand your point and it's well-taken (and I do somewhat agree with it, to the degree that I almost didn't post my earlier post), but I guess the only thing I'd say to that is that I see the standard of honor as being different between a private schlep like me and someone running for the highest office in the world. I'm not naive enough to think that a candidate wouldn't inwardly have severe misgivings and perhaps even make efforts behind the scenes to dilute his support in some veiled manner, but outwardly, publicly, he should follow through on his commitments, to Mean What He Says (as all of them are fond of claiming), not change them, dump them, according to the way the political wind happens to be blowing on a particular day.
 
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Well all this talk has me heading out to my "Happy Place":

It'll do me good.


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Are you still required to meet your responsibility?


Elk, I understand your point and it's well-taken (and I do somewhat agree with it, to the degree that I almost didn't post my earlier post), but I guess the only thing I'd say to that is that I see the standard of honor as being different between a private schlep like me and someone running for the highest office in the world. I'm not naive enough to think that a candidate wouldn't inwardly have severe misgivings and perhaps even make efforts behind the scenes to dilute his support in some veiled manner, but outwardly, publicly, he should follow through on his commitments, to Mean What He Says (as all of them are fond of claiming), not change them, dump them, according to the way the political wind happens to be blowing on a particular day.

If anyone defaulted on a "pledge" it was the GOPe. I do not blame Trump at all for saying he is not bound by his pledge. I hope the process we are currently witnessing causes the complete destruction of the Republican Party as we know it. I believe there are enough concerned citizens to establish a new party that is large enough to be viable in national elections.



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You're right Ackks, having The Donald as President would be Paradise.

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I switched to Sanibel. It's more American and it is a Trump thread Wink

This race is upsetting to watch. Things just keep getting worse.
 
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Wooooooooooooosaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!
 
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I switched to Sanibel. It's more American and it is a Trump thread Wink

This race is upsetting to watch. Things just keep getting worse.


It really is.

That's why I think I'm going to spend the rest of the day in my happy place and forget this nonsense for at least the next 24 hours.


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I'm more convinced than ever than EVEN IF Trump shows up at Cleveland with 1,237 delegates, the GOP powers that be will try to take it all away from him.

They are that frightened, it's as simple as that.


 
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If nothing more happens this year beyond the end of the Republican Party, that alone will be great. I've slowly become aware of what a destructive force it has been for a very long time in America, because it has syphoned off energies of the right and sent them right down the sewer. The leftists have had no opposition, and we've seen the effects of that for almost 8 years now. The Bush years only slowed them down a bit from what they have been able to accomplish with Obama. They have been on a roll for a long time-- decades-- while we on the right believed that we actually had a party in the game. Slowly we have come to realize the hard truth of it all.

The Republican Party is a sham. It is nothing but the other hand of the Democrat Party, which needs two hands: one to wash the other.


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Trump is anti-abortion, pro-capitalism, pro-strong national defense, pro-second amendment, anti-illegal immigration and pro-Christianity. It would be hard to be much more conservative than that. I believe that is his appeal, plus his stance on bringing jobs back to the US is something that is engaging the Reagan Democrats.

The last two Republicans were moderate(McCain) or perceived as moderate(Romney), which explains, in large, the lack of voter turnout for either. Trump does not have appear to have that problem.

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I suppose you are referring to me since I posted the article



No. Just people in general. I see it constantly in the forum. "He's not a conservative". Yes. He's already said that himself, a long time ago. Wink

He's very conservative on some things, not so much on others. Middle of the road if you will. Average American in some cases. I believe this is why he has so much support from both sides. He's not left, he's not right, he's (for the most part) middle of the road.


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With someone that has no public record you kinda have to go by what they say.


Compared to most of those with public records where you can't go by what they say at all, because what they say and what their record is are usually opposite of one another.
 
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If nothing more happens this year beyond the end of the Republican Party, that alone will be great.


Problem is in order for there to be the end of the GOPe, there has to be the beginning of something else. I don't see that sprouting up anywhere right now.

A fight at the RNC convention and a Democratic win of the WH will be considered an absolute success by the current GOPe leadership. They sink both Trump and Cruz and spend four years demonizing the new President, all the while begging us for money and votes to keep them in power as a 'check' on the new executive.

Business as usual.
 
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If nothing more happens this year beyond the end of the Republican Party, that alone will be great. I've slowly become aware of what a destructive force it has been for a very long time in America, because it has syphoned off energies of the right and sent them right down the sewer. The leftists have had no opposition, and we've seen the effects of that for almost 8 years now. The Bush years only slowed them down a bit from what they have been able to accomplish with Obama. They have been on a roll for a long time-- decades-- while we on the right believed that we actually had a party in the game. Slowly we have come to realize the hard truth of it all.

The Republican Party is a sham. It is nothing but the other hand of the Democrat Party, which needs two hands: one to wash the other.


Exactly Mad





 
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Problem is in order for there to be the end of the GOPe, there has to be the beginning of something else. I don't see that sprouting up anywhere right now.A fight at the RNC convention and a Democratic win of the WH will be considered an absolute success by the current GOPe leadership. They sink both Trump and Cruz and spend four years demonizing the new President, all the while begging us for money and votes to keep them in power as a 'check' on the new executive.Business as usual.


Good point. No point to jump out of the life boat until another ship arrives. I had hoped the Tea Party would have been that vessel.
 
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Trump is anti-abortion, pro-capitalism, pro-strong national defense, pro-second amendment, anti-illegal immigration and pro-Christianity. . .


You left out pro-universal health care, pro-common standard government-controlled education, and pro-higher taxation. See Trump's remarks in Wisconsin yesterday.

Yup, that sure sounds "conservative" to me.

You're hitching your wagon to a mercurial entity, one who does not consider himself bound by his word.

You don't know what you're going to get with Trump. The only thing for sure is that he is delivering a "Yuge" fuck you to the establishment.

I have this hang-up about the Constitution. I love it. I consider it to be a sacred document.

I want smaller government that does LESS, is less intrusive into my life, takes less of my hard-earned resources, operates STRICTLY within the limitations set by the Constitution, and leaves me the hell alone. That isn't what Mr. Trump is selling.

Really, I cannot figure out why you guys love this guy so much. Yes, he's waving a "yuge" middle finger at the establishment. But there's a better way readily available to us.


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You don't know what you're going to get with Trump.
Actually, we do know; we're going to get "Not Hillary".

First things first.
 
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You don't know what you're going to get with Trump.
Actually, we do know; we're going to get "Not Hillary".

First things first.


Well, yes, that is true.

But I point out that Mr. Cruz is also "Not Hillary", and is far more predictable and consistent in both temperament and character, as well as one who loves, honors, and obeys the Constitution.

As I see it, I can have a bag of shit (Hillary), a silver coin (Trump), or a gold coin (Cruz). At this point, I choose the gold coin. It may be that my choices are limited to only the bag of shit or the silver coin in the future. That would be disappointing. But, still, the silver coin will be preferable to the bag of shit.

Or, another metaphor considering only the Republican front runners -- both of whom have had to force themselves into the establishment Republican nomination process -- Trump is a nickel, and Cruz is a dime. I scratch my head wondering why all the adults, who should know that even though the nickel is larger than the dime the dime is worth more, are going for the nickel.


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Are you still required to meet your responsibility?


Elk, I understand your point and it's well-taken (and I do somewhat agree with it, to the degree that I almost didn't post my earlier post), but I guess the only thing I'd say to that is that I see the standard of honor as being different between a private schlep like me and someone running for the highest office in the world. I'm not naive enough to think that a candidate wouldn't inwardly have severe misgivings and perhaps even make efforts behind the scenes to dilute his support in some veiled manner, but outwardly, publicly, he should follow through on his commitments, to Mean What He Says (as all of them are fond of claiming), not change them, dump them, according to the way the political wind happens to be blowing on a particular day.


So, as I understand your response, you think that in political situations when 2 parties agree (take an oath) to do certain things that no matter what happens from there on the oath must be kept.

If one party to the oath decides not to keep his oath, the other party must keep his, no matter what. Is that correct?

In simple terms, you and I decide that I will sell you something for a fixed price.

Then you decide that you don't want to honor your oath and pay the agreed price. But I still have to give the item to you, because I took the oath.

Does that cover it?


Elk

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But I point out that Mr. Cruz is also "Not Hillary", and is far more predictable and consistent in both temperament and character, as well as one who loves, honors, and obeys the Constitution.
...and Cruz is also gonna be "Not President". If you believe this, as I do, then, you have to write him off. We are past the point of "want", and deep into the realm of "dire need".
 
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