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To get establishment Ford, the Rule said one thing. To get rid of Trump or Cruz, the Rule will be made to say the opposite. Rule changes have been the insider sport of the GOP for a long, long time.

Herein shall finally sound the death knell of the GOP

People are just NOT going to take another loss by the GOP so that their gravy train will not be upset.

There is just too much at stake. The "silent Americans" know this. This is why they are now no longer silent.

Can Cruz and DT break away and go third party with enough momentum to save us from the torture of HitLIARry and the commies, if the boneheads that are the GOP really do pull this stunt ?

SFL, you're about to piss me off.

one way to view it as the per cent of delegates awarded so far.

1378 delegates awarded to date

Trump got 48% of them (661 delegates)

Cruz got 29% (406 delegates)

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Originally posted by justjoe:
If you can lie with statistics, you can create whole fairytales with polls. These polls have "shown" that every R candidate except Donald Trump would beat Hillary.

I'm not even a hardcore Trump supporter, but have never believed that. As reality is setting in, I've realized that my hopes for Cruz are fading and Trump is going to be the one.

What would make an independent voter want to vote for Cruz over Hillary rather than Trump over Hillary? Other than immigration, Trump certainly hasn't pounded on any of the social hot button issues to the extent that Cruz has.

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Originally posted by Southflorida-law:

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Originally posted by sdy:...Maybe the most misleading statement in the entire thread...

Look at Florida, only 4 people in the field and he still came in at 46%.

As the field thins, he is still not picking up those votes, the others are. (at this point)

We get it, you're going to be contrary. But the people who keep pointing to Trump's "unpopularity" can't seem to grasp that all the other candidates were even more unpopular.

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Originally posted by SIG4EVA:

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Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:

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Originally posted by SIG4EVA:

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Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:

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Originally posted by Southflorida-law:
Convention will be interesting, considering Trump has yet to get over 50% of the popular vote in any primary. He is averaging about 40%. So 60% of the voting GOP does not support him currently (accept in the N. Mariana Islands, he dominated with 76%). Not much of a "mandate".

Now that Rubio is out, and the field is even thinner, will his numbers go up, or will he continue slide around in the 40-50% range?

And 80% of the voting GOP does not support Cruz. Do you have a point that makes sense?

I would love to see those numbers.

Cruz is averaging in the 20% range in the primaries to date. What have I missed?

Again, I am still waiting for a reference or proof to back up your claim.

Look up the votes in all the primaries to date. (Do your own homework. The rest of us have watched the primaries and know how they turned out.) How many people (percentage wise) did NOT vote for Cruz? That's the number of people who OPPOSED him. Got it? If not, maybe your mom can help you with the math.

Its OK Big Bore. He only has 29% of the delegates from polling 20% according to you. Not bad. I don't care if Trump or Cruz win the nomination, I am happy with either. You on the other hand continue to be butthurt on Cruz as if he did something to you. Enjoy.

So why exactly would the delegates listen to the establishment in the first place?

I submit that my prior statement could also be used as a nuclear option in an independent run by a Trump / Cruz ticket. If the establishment are intent in "taking us with them", we can make sure they are removed from relevance permanently and that congressional seats for incumbents are contested as well.

Why would any candidate stick to their pledge to back the Republican nominee or not to go Independent if the voice of the people means nothing to them?

here is a link to a good breakdown of the status of delegates awarded (broken out for each state)

It is much more detailed than just "so and so won a given state"

Looks like MO still hasn't been completely allocated yet

http://www.realclearpolitics.c..._delegate_count.html

If you want to see just how arrogant and out of touch the GOPe is, check this out.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/16...or-gop-official.html

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Originally posted by SIG4EVA:
I don't care if Trump or Cruz win the nomination, I am happy with either.

I am not commenting on your discussion with Bigbore.

However, I do think we need to think of putting one of them over the line. It does not serve us well to have two that do not get to 1237. That result would leave things more in the hands of the Rules Committee and other Cruz and Trump haters. Again, we could wind up with neither.

The problem with Cruz using the arguments about how only so much a percentage wanted Trump is that it is beneath him. He and those who use those arguments in a crowded field must think the electorate is stupid. O.K. . . . . well maybe that's it.

But for a guy who says "Trust" Ted and for a guy who has the credentials of a true intellect, such things go against type. He is not making valid arguments with this stuff and to have it repeated makes those who do seem a bit mindless.

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Originally posted by justjoe:
If you want to see just how arrogant and out of touch the GOPe is, check this out.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/16...or-gop-official.html

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"The media has created the perception that the voters choose the nomination. That's the conflict here," Curly Haugland, an unbound GOP delegate from North Dakota, told CNBC's "Squawk Box" on Wednesday. He even questioned why primaries and caucuses are held.

Indeed. If that's the case, then why bother with primaries???

All the more reason that this election cycle needs to be the end of the GOP.

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However, I do think we need to think of putting one of them over the line

It might just be wishful thinking on my part, but outside of the North East I think people will line up behind one or the other. I'm not sure one will get over 1237, but hopefully it's close enough to have this decided before Cleveland.

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Originally posted by Dtech:
So why exactly would the delegates listen to the establishment in the first place?

I submit that my prior statement could also be used as a nuclear option in an independent run by a Trump / Cruz ticket. If the establishment are intent in "taking us with them", we can make sure they are removed from relevance permanently and that congressional seats for incumbents are contested as well.

Why would any candidate stick to their pledge to back the Republican nominee or not to go Independent if the voice of the people means nothing to them?

It seems to me that your approach would simply ensure a loss in the general election and a loss of a majority in Congress.

The loss of power, influence and business as predictably usual is a fearful prospect for those benefiting from it. If the system would continue with even Democrat power, a political promise may seem a small price to pay. For many key insider and donor Republicans, other factors and priorities may drive their actions and the Republican election "win" may be less important.

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Originally posted by Tubetone:

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Originally posted by Dtech:
So why exactly would the delegates listen to the establishment in the first place?

I submit that my prior statement could also be used as a nuclear option in an independent run by a Trump / Cruz ticket. If the establishment are intent in "taking us with them", we can make sure they are removed from relevance permanently and that congressional seats for incumbents are contested as well.

Why would any candidate stick to their pledge to back the Republican nominee or not to go Independent if the voice of the people means nothing to them?

It seems to me that your approach would simply ensure a loss in the general election and a loss of a majority in Congress.

The loss of power, influence and business as predictably usual is a fearful prospect for those benefiting from it. If the system would continue with even Democrat power, a political promise may seem a small price to pay. For many key insider and donor Republicans, other factors and priorities may drive their actions and the Republican election "win" may be less important.

I REALLY don't expect it to come to something like this, but mutually assured destruction did seem to help us win the Cold War.

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Originally posted by stormwalker:
17,520,263 ballots cast for Trump.
8,737,408 ballots cast for Clinton
6,204,635 ballots cast for Sanders
5,464,671 ballots cast for Cruz.

Who will motivate the most voters to the both come Nov?

If that is directed at the third party approach, many voters would probably be drained from Trump to the establishment label or lost in frustration if there was a write-in - along with other issues in getting on the ballot across the country.

Those numbers are impressive, though.

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Originally posted by stormwalker:
17,520,263 ballots cast for Trump.
8,737,408 ballots cast for Clinton
6,204,635 ballots cast for Sanders
5,464,671 ballots cast for Cruz.

Who will motivate the most voters to the both come Nov?

How many of those Trump votes are God Damned Commies in sheep's clothing?

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Originally posted by justjoe:
If you want to see just how arrogant and out of touch the GOPe is, check this out.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/16...or-gop-official.html


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"The media has created the perception that the voters choose the nomination. That's the conflict here," Curly Haugland, an unbound GOP delegate from North Dakota, told CNBC's "Squawk Box" on Wednesday. He even questioned why primaries and caucuses are held.


Indeed. If that's the case, then why bother with primaries???

All the more reason that this election cycle needs to be the end of the GOP."



Hell, why bother with elections? Just let these superior people choose the president, like the College of Cardinals choosing the Pope. Or maybe like the next in the line of succession, like a royal dynasty. Certainly you don't want these unwashed peasants making the decision, as if this were some kind of democracy.

Boehner has been pimping Paul Ryan for the "contested convention." You know, the guy who became Speaker and immediately got on his knees for Obama?

Here is what Trump said about all this: "I think you'd have problems like you've never seen before. I wouldn't lead it, but I think bad things will happen."

And I agree: The end of this election cycle needs to be the end of the corrupt, haughty, aristocratic GOP.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...n.html#ixzz435A2BOu9

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Originally posted by Dtech:

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Originally posted by Tubetone:

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Originally posted by Dtech:
So why exactly would the delegates listen to the establishment in the first place?

I submit that my prior statement could also be used as a nuclear option in an independent run by a Trump / Cruz ticket. If the establishment are intent in "taking us with them", we can make sure they are removed from relevance permanently and that congressional seats for incumbents are contested as well.

Why would any candidate stick to their pledge to back the Republican nominee or not to go Independent if the voice of the people means nothing to them?

It seems to me that your approach would simply ensure a loss in the general election and a loss of a majority in Congress.

The loss of power, influence and business as predictably usual is a fearful prospect for those benefiting from it. If the system would continue with even Democrat power, a political promise may seem a small price to pay. For many key insider and donor Republicans, other factors and priorities may drive their actions and the Republican election "win" may be less important.

I REALLY don't expect it to come to something like this, but mutually assured destruction did seem to help us win the Cold War.

The Soviets may have had more sense.

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Here is what Trump said about all this: "I think you'd have problems like you've never seen before. I wouldn't lead it, but I think bad things will happen."

Thank goodness for DT ! ! !

Tell it like it is, Mr. Trump !