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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
Well, no matter, I am still the official SIGforum TrumpMonkey™.

Hey li'l marco, get me a peanut butter and nanner sammich.

Oh, and a glass of Orange Juice...

Did you ever get any dinner, sir ? ? ?

Convention will be interesting, considering Trump has yet to get over 50% of the popular vote in any primary. He is averaging about 40%. So 60% of the voting GOP does not support him currently (accept in the N. Mariana Islands, he dominated with 76%). Not much of a "mandate".

Now that Rubio is out, and the field is even thinner, will his numbers go up, or will he continue slide around in the 40-50% range?

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So 60% of the voting GOP does not support him currently

Maybe the most misleading statement in the entire thread.

The Rep field was huge. 18 at the start. Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich and Carson all had significant strong supporters.

Not at all surprising that one person couldn't command above 50%.

Right now today, I hope Trump calls Cruz and says "let's stop viciously attacking each other personally for the rest of the campaign". They need to be prepared to stand together to fight a contested convention.

And then they need to stand together in the general election to bring their supporters all to the table. If Trump has most votes he should be the presidential nominee. But Cruz should have a prominent position in a Trump administration.

That's also why I posted this in the Cruz thread....

Just keep in mind that the "polls" up to now showing Trump loses to Hillary is also tainted by a pool of voters that were still hopeful that their candidate is going to be the nominee instead of Trump. I'm confident when Trump becomes the nominee, most people will throw their full support behind Trump along with some Democrats and Independents to the tune of a resounding win over Hillary.

On the issue of a so called "brokered convention", the establishment just needs to get with the program because at this point, Trump and Cruz have full control of the needed majority of the delegates and all they would need to do to override any establishment convention shenanigans would be to say "OK, you are going to try to override the will of the people? We're (Trump and Cruz) just going to pool our delegates with a Trump / Cruz ticket so put that in your pipe and smoke it!"

Kasich is just in denial and will soon get a reality check in the coming states as he struggles to get out of the single digit support in most of them, much like Rubio last night.

A few times Trump has said, "I haven't even begun on Hillary yet." And just wait.

For too long a time Republican candidates have been total pussies. The Democrats play hardball and the Republicans play tiddlywinks. For example, the Democrats send out a small army of "protestors" to shut down free speech through violence and intimidation. Something worthy of the most totalitarian regimes. And Kasich, Rubio and Cruz respond with, "Well, gosh, that Donald Trump sort of was asking for it...."

Trump will throw everything at Hillary-- and there is a LOT to hurl.

If the dems really thought shill would beat Donald in the general, they wouldn't say it. That's how you know its a lie to influence repub voters to pick someone she can beat.

Rubio dropping a surprise and real game changer. Him passing his supporters to Cruz is also shocking. The establishment darling giving his support to the candidate they may fear as much as Trump. Rubio dropping increases the chance of Trump or Cruz reaching the delegate threshold.

Kasich is deluded. Maybe a reflection of the denial of the establishment.

I can't understand how, after the last presidential election, that people still put much if any faith in polls?

Justjoe,

It's not just the violence and intimidation. The damn demonrats have virtual home court advantage of a friendly media who will spin, lie, deceive and peopagandize for their shiftless party every step of the way. Trump not only energizes people to fight back but he throws the bullshit right back into the media's faces on live TV. You don't know how long I have waited for a fighter to emerge from the limp dick Republican Party. About. Damn. Time!

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Originally posted by justjoe:Trump will throw everything at Hillary-- and there is a LOT to hurl.

I'm really looking forward to that, if he is the nominee. Rs have played far too nice with their opponents lately. They leave their best arguments and weapons unused.

Trump has to go nuclear on Hillary Clinton.

While the Dems will have a field day going after Trump, the vast preponderance of heavy ammunition lies in attacking Clinton.

It may come as a total shock to the country to see what she has done and what she has lied about.

Those of us here have seen how bad she is, but I am sure the majority of the voters have no idea what a scheming lying wind bag she is.

Sanders hasn't tested her at all.

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Originally posted by Southflorida-law:
Convention will be interesting, considering Trump has yet to get over 50% of the popular vote in any primary. He is averaging about 40%. So 60% of the voting GOP does not support him currently (accept in the N. Mariana Islands, he dominated with 76%). Not much of a "mandate".

Now that Rubio is out, and the field is even thinner, will his numbers go up, or will he continue slide around in the 40-50% range?

And 80% of the voting GOP does not support Cruz. Do you have a point that makes sense?

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Originally posted by sdy:...Maybe the most misleading statement in the entire thread...

Look at Florida, only 4 people in the field and he still came in at 46%.

As the field thins, he is still not picking up those votes, the others are. (at this point)

They just don't get it . . . the establishment response to yesterday . . . .

"If we don't have a nominee who can win on the first ballot, I'm for none of the above," Boehner said at the Futures Industry Association conference here. "They all had a chance to win. None of them won. So I'm for none of the above. I'm for Paul Ryan to be our nominee." LINK

Like Romney, Ryan and the insiders overestimate support for those who haven't been through this season's maelstrom. Ryan has only had a few days as Speaker and he typifies what is wrong.

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Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:

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Originally posted by Southflorida-law:
Convention will be interesting, considering Trump has yet to get over 50% of the popular vote in any primary. He is averaging about 40%. So 60% of the voting GOP does not support him currently (accept in the N. Mariana Islands, he dominated with 76%). Not much of a "mandate".

Now that Rubio is out, and the field is even thinner, will his numbers go up, or will he continue slide around in the 40-50% range?

And 80% of the voting GOP does not support Cruz. Do you have a point that makes sense?

I would love to see those numbers.

If you can lie with statistics, you can create whole fairytales with polls. These polls have "shown" that every R candidate except Donald Trump would beat Hillary.

Hmmm. Let us ponder that a moment. So...Jeb Bush would beat Hillary, even though he got a grand total of, like, 15 votes, but Donald Trump, who has dominated the primaries, would lose to Hillary.

Sure, I'll buy that. Toss in a pound of Unicorn poop while you are at it, and wrap it in fairy dust.

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Originally posted by SIG4EVA:

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Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:

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Originally posted by Southflorida-law:
Convention will be interesting, considering Trump has yet to get over 50% of the popular vote in any primary. He is averaging about 40%. So 60% of the voting GOP does not support him currently (accept in the N. Mariana Islands, he dominated with 76%). Not much of a "mandate".

Now that Rubio is out, and the field is even thinner, will his numbers go up, or will he continue slide around in the 40-50% range?

And 80% of the voting GOP does not support Cruz. Do you have a point that makes sense?

I would love to see those numbers.

Cruz is averaging in the 20% range in the primaries to date. What have I missed?

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Originally posted by Tubetone:
They just don't get it . . . the establishment response to yesterday . . . .

"If we don't have a nominee who can win on the first ballot, I'm for none of the above," Boehner said at the Futures Industry Association conference here. "They all had a chance to win. None of them won. So I'm for none of the above. I'm for Paul Ryan to be our nominee." LINK

Like Romney, Ryan and the insiders overestimate support for those who haven't been through this season's maelstrom. Ryan has only had a few days as Speaker and he typifies what is wrong.

Boehner, like Romney are really acting pathetically, like children trying to whine for relevance.

I submit my prior statement once again for his and the rest of the establishment's viewing pleasure....

On the issue of a so called "brokered convention", the establishment just needs to get with the program because at this point, Trump and Cruz have full control of the needed majority of the delegates and all they would need to do to override any establishment convention shenanigans would be to say "OK, you are going to try to override the will of the people? We're (Trump and Cruz) just going to pool our delegates with a Trump / Cruz ticket so put that in your pipe and smoke it!"

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Look at Florida, only 4 people in the field and he still came in at 46%.

Are you serious ?

Rubio is the extremely popular current Senator from Florida.

In FL, the anti-Trump/pro-Rubio forces outspent Trump nearly 8-1 .

Rubio had to win Florida or he was out. Couldn't have been any bigger for him.

And your example of your point is that Trump "only" won 46% of the vote ????

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Originally posted by Dtech:

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Originally posted by Tubetone:
They just don't get it . . . the establishment response to yesterday . . . .

"If we don't have a nominee who can win on the first ballot, I'm for none of the above," Boehner said at the Futures Industry Association conference here. "They all had a chance to win. None of them won. So I'm for none of the above. I'm for Paul Ryan to be our nominee." LINK

Like Romney, Ryan and the insiders overestimate support for those who haven't been through this season's maelstrom. Ryan has only had a few days as Speaker and he typifies what is wrong.

I submit my prior statement once again for his and the rest of the establishment's viewing pleasure....

And, I also submit my prior statement about fudging the Rules to even subvert the first ballot approach. The "bound on first ballot" rule was adopted in 1976 to ensure that Ford would defeat outsider Reagan for the nomination. (Of course, the GOP lost the resulting election to "Bless his heart, he tried" Carter.

Here is a LINK to an article about an existing GOP Rules Committee Member arguing that delegates are not bound on the first ballot at all now - while citing Rule 38. The article notes that there really was no backlash or objection from the other Rules Committee members to his current argument.

This is why I keep saying that Trump needs to get across the line because the Rules are already being monkeyed (Sorry Monkey ) Voters are not going to matter unless the numbers are undeniable. Even some pact between Cruz and Trump may not get past the Rules efforts already underway.

To get establishment Ford, the Rule said one thing. To get rid of Trump or Cruz, the Rule will be made to say the opposite. Rule changes have been the insider sport of the GOP for a long, long time.

Trump needs to win it on the field with the voters. It would make things much more difficult for manipulation. I tell you, the only time in the 39 years that I have been married to her, the GOP Rules manipulation attempt when we were delegates spurred the only time that I saw my wife standing on a chair yelling, "Riot! Riot!"

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Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:

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Originally posted by SIG4EVA:

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Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:

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Originally posted by Southflorida-law:
Convention will be interesting, considering Trump has yet to get over 50% of the popular vote in any primary. He is averaging about 40%. So 60% of the voting GOP does not support him currently (accept in the N. Mariana Islands, he dominated with 76%). Not much of a "mandate".

Now that Rubio is out, and the field is even thinner, will his numbers go up, or will he continue slide around in the 40-50% range?

And 80% of the voting GOP does not support Cruz. Do you have a point that makes sense?

I would love to see those numbers.

Cruz is averaging in the 20% range in the primaries to date. What have I missed?

Again, I am still waiting for a reference or proof to back up your claim.