I understand what your saying Tubetone. I just disagree. So let's say a bunch of BLM activist show up, disrupt proceedings, & refuse to leave. Then what? You wanna ask them "pretty please"?

No matter how many BLM "activist" are beaten to a well deserved bloody pulp, nobody voting Republican is gonna take their side. I dare say Repulicans would gain more support for beating their rabble ass. Skin color got nothing to do with it.

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Originally posted by maximus_flavius:
I understand what your saying Tubetone. I just disagree. So let's say a bunch of BLM activist show up, disrupt proceedings, & refuse to leave. Then what? You wanna ask them "pretty please"?

No matter how many BLM "activist" are beaten to a well deserved bloody pulp, nobody voting Republican is gonna take their side. I dare say Repulicans would gain more support for beating their rabble ass. Skin color got nothing to do with it.

With all due respect, I do not believe you understand what I am saying.

In every state that I can think of, a person who is trespassing on rally (leased) property can be removed - even by force. But, state laws typically only allow using so much force as is necessary. This distinction is part of what supports civil order in our society. If someone calls you a name can you shoot em' dead? Well, maybe in Texas but elsewhere such would usually be recognized as excessive force for the situation. No one is suggesting that nothing could be done. The question is the amount of force and who could apply it.

You seem to mistake my comments for pacifism. I assure you, I am not a pacifist. But, we all have choices that we can make in responding to a situation. I related a story on the forum last month where someone or persons tried for about 18 minutes to break down my front door at about 3 a.m. If they got in and if I determined that the other requirements under the law were satisfied, I was prepared to shoot him or them dead. But, I was permitted to do so under the rule of law.

If someone is rowdy and disruptive in a rally crowd, the goal, in my view, should be to use reasonable force to remove them from the site. Security personnel and police have been at all the Trump rallies that I have seen. Acting up does not give a bona fide attendee the right to "stomp" someone into a "mud puddle" as was suggested. That is why I used the imagery of not wanting to see a melee on TV instead of reasonable force being used to protect oneself and/or aid the security personnel in removal. How about they just get "stomped" after they are unconscious? I do not believe that becoming an animal is the way to remove a protester.

So, if someone is down, do you get to kick the crap out of their face and crotch? Just what is being proposed? We are people of laws and we do not need to degenerate, as a pre-chosen plan, at a Trump rally to exact some racial or left/right payback. I'd like to think that responsible gun owners would be able to rise above that temptation. "Gee, he slipped on a bar of soap" will only cover so many injuries. Riots are made up of penned up aggression. But, that aggression would be, in my view, better channeled into getting a better government at the ballot box. That's my goal and I hope you can see the value in that.

If people start having more jobs with the elimination of trying to turn everything into a group or race issue as has been done during the Obama years, we may be able to, as Trump says, Make America Great Again. Trump's plan is focused both within the country and without. But, to be able to help with that goal, we all need to, again, find the higher ground provided in the rule of law. Indeed, the rule of law is one thing that Trump wants to restore.

If a news or other video shows people defending themselves while trying to gain control to remove someone from the site, the impression is different than an all out brawl to "stomp" someone into a "mud puddle" as was suggested.

The desire that Trump supporters would bridle their passions to the rule of law does not seem to be an unreasonable expectation - at least that's the way I see it. I like that Trump will not yield his rally or microphone to self-important marginals. Trump is trying to send a message of resolve and strength, not license and lawlessness.

http://www.washingtonexaminer....down/article/2585580

John Kasich's campaign on Friday flatly rejected Marco Rubio's suggestion that they swap voters in each others home states in order to ensure Rubio wins in Florida, and Kasich wins in Ohio.

"We were going to win in OH without his help, just as he's going to lose in Florida without ours," Kasich spokesman Rob Nichols said in a tweet.

Rubio and his campaign called on his supporters in Ohio to vote for Gov. Kasich, in an effort to block Donald Trump from winning the Republican nomination.

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Rubio is through. His credibility has evaporated.

What a bunch of fucking children. I really wonder what other nuclear options the establishment has up thier sleeve when (not if) Trump wins. At this point I say "you wanna play??...Let's play mother fuckers." Theres a whole bunch more of us than them. I view this as playing for my children at this point. Quite possibly my granchildren who are yet to be born.

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What a bunch of fucking children. I really wonder what other nuclear options the establishment has up thier sleeve when (not if) Trump wins. At this point I say "you wanna play??...Let's play mother fuckers." Theres a whole bunch more of us than them. I view this as playing for my children at this point. Quite possibly my granchildren who are yet to be born.

Spot on, sir ! This and otherwise is showing them for what they are and how selfish (and childish) they and gope are. We are just their pawns...

That is a reasoned argument Tubetone. I "think" I get what your sayin. I do support allowing law enforcement to do their job. I didn't think you were a pacifist, just a well meaning, reasonable guy. Unfortunately, we are not dealing with well meaning, reasonable opponents. BLM is by all means racist, radical, & ready to physically start a fight. They come solely to create a disturbance & try to get on tv.

What the video showed was a small group of malcontents. There is a real possibility of hundreds of these assholes collaborating on a similar plan. That could cause a major disturbance that law enforcement might not be able to handle before physical altercations take place. I think we will see this, maybe after Trump is nominated. I'm not gonna sit around & wait 20 minutes while being yelled at, insulted, or assaulted before I punch a motherfucker, & I'd think you'd be hard pressed to find somebody that would.

That's not to mention what might transpire outside of the arena, like the videos we have seen of SEIU thugs beating people outside of events.

Gentlemens rules do not apply to savages.

hmmmmmm

On Thursday, House Majority Leader Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) told reporters that Donald Trump’s nomination would help Republicans running for office, not hurt them.

McCarthy cited the fact that turnout in the first nine presidential primaries had risen this year from 2008, while Democratic turnout had declined.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...-help-gop-win-seats/

Has there ever been a Republican group who went to a Democratic event just to cause a ruckus, flip everybody off, yell obscenities, & start fights?

I fully expect BLM to appear in large groups at Trump events, & instigate fights.

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Originally posted by sdy:
hmmmmmm

On Thursday, House Majority Leader Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) told reporters that Donald Trump’s nomination would help Republicans running for office, not hurt them.

McCarthy cited the fact that turnout in the first nine presidential primaries had risen this year from 2008, while Democratic turnout had declined.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...-help-gop-win-seats/

Why is that idiot allowed to speak to the media at all anymore? He's already proven what a moron he is. You'd think the GOP establishment folks might send him a note something to the effect of STFU.

Kasich has zero chance of winning. He can't man up and accept it.

Problem w Kasich is that he openly champions a contested convention.

http://www.politico.com/story/...an-convention-220323

Ohio Gov. John Kasich knows his only road to the Republican presidential nomination runs through a contested GOP convention this summer, and he doesn’t think there’s anything wrong with that.

the Ohio governor has no way to earn the number of delegates needed to earn the Republican nomination without a contested convention.


“What's the big deal about that, other than it's exciting?” Kasich continued.

“Think about how much education our kids are going to get, about the way in which we pick a president. …I think it will be very cool.”

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"very cool" for Kasich to try to steal an election where he utterly failed to get the everyday citizens' votes ?

some education.

My father sent me a text that made me laugh:

"Well, it seems Dr Carson must have got into trump's brain and calmed him down. He had a very good debate last night. Carson is a neurosurgeon after all."

Although I wrote that the arm grabbing of Michelle Fields is an over blown thing, I'll post one more item, then drop out.

This was reported widely:
During a discussion with Breitbart's Matt Boyle and reported by The Daily Beast, Lewandowski admitted to grabbing Fields and made the excuse that he didn't realize she worked for Breitbart, a Trump friendly outlet

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But, Matt Boyle says Lewandowski never told him that.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...-daily-beast-report/

Mathew Boyle:
Text messages between myself and Corey Lewandowski, Donald Trump’s campaign manager, prove that an article in The Daily Beast that alleged Lewandowski admitted to me he grabbed Michelle Fields’ arm at a Trump press conference is entirely inaccurate and untrue.

text messages:
Boyle to Corey Lewandowski:

“Hey dude what happened with Michelle Fields tonight? Is everything OK?”

Corey: “Who?”

Boyle: “Check out @Jamie_Weinstein’s Tweet: [LINK TO TWEET]”

“Michelle is our reporter we sent to Jupiter. It sounds to me like it was a misunderstanding nothing bad.”

“Michelle didn’t know Jamie tweeted that BTW”

“I just talked to her about it”

Corey: “Don’t know her”

Boyle: “K I wanna make sure that this doesn’t turn into a big story. It sounds to me like it was a misunderstanding”

Chrissakes, they just cancelled the Trump rally in Chicago due to the protesters.

The Hitler and Mussolini references are disgusting.

The protesters are celebrating the fact they they shut down free speech. Good little commies. Hillary would be proud.

They're paid to be there.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Chrissakes, they just cancelled the Trump rally in Chicago due to the protesters.

The Hitler and Mussolini references are disgusting.

The protesters are celebrating the fact they they shut down free speech. Good little commies. Hillary would be proud.

So, it seems Trump was trying to hold a rally in the progressive, hive city of Chicago. There has been some violence but the security is quite inadequate.

It is reported that the rally is now cancelled. But, the protesters at one point chanted, "Bernie, Bernie."

I hope people can get out of the arena and away from the campus safely. There is a volatile mixture at hand.

College campuses are not a place for free speech anymore. Why didn't the snowflakes just go to their safe places?

protesters in Chicago

Canceled due to protesters. I especially like the lady (I'm being nice here) with the sign "No hate in Chicago". Yeah lady sure.

RMD

It's Chicago. What do they expect?

Who got their DeLorean up to 88 and took us back to Chicago in 1968?