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Hot Air publishes Ed Morrissey report stating NBC and WSJ polls show Trump cannot defeat Mrs. Clinton: LINK.
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And your point? | |||
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Sap, These ultimate polls at this time in the primary are hard to trust. I heard a poll today that 63% of non-Trump Republicans want a brokered convention. Those folks want another bite at the apple because they know their candidate is out or the ones likely to succeed are not their favorite flavor. After over 100 million dollars of negative ads against Trump, it seems a lot of likely voters want a chance to get a different result than the primary is producing. This group of people is presumably represented in the poll you cite. It is no secret at this point that Cruz, Romney, Kasich, Bush and etc. are in favor of a contested convention. They are all also arguing that Trump could not possibly beat Clinton. So, a Fox-owned/entwined NBC/WSJ poll comes out that says that Trump can’t win. It causes some skepticism in me. Admittedly, I discount Fox polls because of what appears to be their agenda at times. But, even if the selection of respondents and questions are deemed O.K., the poll respondents themselves know that one way to derail Trump is to convince others that he cannot win the general election. I’m not sure a respondent wouldn’t think in those terms – almost everyone that I know talks about messing with polls if asked to be a respondent. The 1980 polls showed that the Carter-Reagan election was a dead heat but Reagan won in a landslide. The Romney-Obama election polls showed a dead heat but Obama won in large numbers. Carl Rove even had to nearly get the hook to drag him off stage after the handwriting was on the wall as he clicked his red slippers together to insist that Romney will still win. Uhmm. Not even close. Oddly enough, Rove did a similar thing live on Fox during the primaries this year when after the race was called, Rove claimed that Trump would still lose because of some incomplete precincts. Uhmm. Not even close again. Given the ultimate question of whether Trump can win is being used as a campaign strategy against Trump by those who are still in the race and those who have already lost, your poll seems less than convincing. I, by the way, feel this way about the other ultimate polls as well. If Trump wins the primary and the Republican machine goes to work for him, I believe polls will sing a clearer tune about Republican attitudes. BTW, Ed Morrissey, the editor of Hot Air, the source you cite, said in 2011 that Trump running for president would be a "political freak show." That adroit analysis sounds kind of familiar. _______________________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Range Safety Officer | |||
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Those polls are meant to manipulate you. Look at which candidate has energized the Republican Party. Next ask yourself, what if the poll is bullshit, what would the pollster gain by lying? One need only look at the chronically dishonest media's support of Hitllary ESPECIALLY the polling in Michigan to understand polls DO NOT MEAN SHIT. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The price of liberty and even of common humanity is eternal vigilance | |||
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Keep that stupid crap out of this thread. Good God. If you're easily swayed by propaganda, or if the propaganda simply suits your purposes, its still nothing but propaganda. I have the Broooklyn Bridge for sale, by the way. I'll sell it to you cheap, Sapper. | |||
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I'm gonna go with "nobody has demolished Trump yet" and nobody is within reach. So fuck off NBC/WSJ. And your massive group of the most intelligent readers on this planet. | |||
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But the commies issued a poll. We should just believe anything they tell us, right? So, I guess we're toast. Gosh, and here I thought we had a real chance. But hey, can't argue with NBC telling us they have a poll. How can you argue with solid, reliable, unbiased evidence like that? I mean, as we know, polls are never wrong and polls are never manipulated. | |||
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Well he's white and running for president of the great Satan as a republican. | |||
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That was my point-- not that I enjoy Salon. C'mon, Czechvar, I know you know better than that.  ______________________________________________________ "You get much farther with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word alone." | |||
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I can't find the like button! ------------------------------ Knowing is half the battle! "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson | |||
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BLM is apparently planning some major disruptions of Trump events. This could get pretty ugly, very fast. About 300 have, according to this article, promised to make some serious trouble. http://www.thegatewaypundit.co...-at-trump-stl-rally/ ______________________________________________________ "You get much farther with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word alone." | |||
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LOL they will get their ass kicked if they get stupid. Oh good times, need to get more popcorn. ------------------------------ Knowing is half the battle! "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson | |||
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Trump is not going to step back from the mike, like Sanders, and give some moron a chance to talk. So, yes-- asses will be kicked, and they won't include The Donald's. ______________________________________________________ "You get much farther with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word alone." | |||
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Good! This is our chance to stomp their radical asses into mud puddles. They're no different than the radical muzzies. Let's stomp them both. RMD TL Davis: “The Second Amendment is special, not because it protects guns, but because its violation signals a government with the intention to oppress its people…” Remember: After the first one, the rest are free. | |||
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It would be a mistake for BLM to attempt any sort of large disruptions inside one of these rallies. That's my understatement for the day. | |||
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This attitude, if followed by action, is the opposite of what we need. Trump's having success because he speaking the mind of many voters about a better direction for the country. We have elections and the rule of law to keep violence from erupting. Elections keep people from having to act violently to have a voice. Peaceful transition of government is one of the hallmarks of our system. While violent protest within a Trump rally would likely cause some self defense, this type of violent encounter should not be encouraged - in my view. _______________________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Range Safety Officer | |||
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I laughed.  Then started googling for Trump events near me. | |||
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You mean like this?:  Watching the Carson/Trump anouncement, I'm getting the impression that there is at least a cabinet position in a Trump administration for Dr. Carson. | |||
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No. I mean like this: "Good! This is our chance to stomp their radical asses into mud puddles." (rduckwor) Just what does "mud puddle" mean? Your video shows me something about those fools. But, rduckwor says something about himself but, hopefully, not us. Racism is not one of Trump's campaign plans. Indeed, turning Trump's candidacy into a race-oriented subject, hurts the cause. There are so many black leaders and neighbors who deserve better than reinforcing the media stereotype that Trump and Trump supporters have a racial animus. Violence along those lines should be rejected for the good of us all. _______________________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Range Safety Officer | |||
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I think the Ben Carson endorsement / press conference could not have gone any better. I truly think this is indeed the pivotal point for Trump's candidacy and that it is full steam ahead. Trump is already showing his unification skills and I have no doubt that not only will he get the nomination but will win against any Democratic opponent. -Dtech __________________________ "I've got a life to live, people to love, and a God to serve!" - sigmonkey "Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value." - Albert Einstein "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition" ― Rudyard Kipling | |||
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