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This might be a good place to start....

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions


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Oh stewardess,
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This might be a good place to start....

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions


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However, Trump has shown an ability to "reform" the system.


Trump has never held office, how has he demonstrated the ability to reform anything?


I can see that I used the term “system” in a more broad sense than you. Trump has never held office. His first foray into any political “office” is now. Even so, he has affected policy, the primary system and the Republican system of thought due to his candidacy.

The Republican strategists, for instance, determined that the best way to get various groups to support the Republican party was to give those people goodies. Latinos and Mexicans were to be treated gently and amnesty or legalization were the devices to be used. Both Cruz and Rubio as well as “act of love” Jeb supported that approach – before Trump.

Trump came along and changed that thought. So, now, Cruz wants to build Trump’s wall but says that he would not let the millions of deported back in. That is a systemic and doctrinal sea change in the Republican approach to immigration. “Gang of Eight” Rubio has also changed his tune.

On the Trans Pacific Partnership, Cruz and Rubio initially supported TPP “fast track” which lowered the voting requirement in Congress. Indeed, it was Rubio who cast the deciding vote for its passage. Cruz changed his mind at the last minute. And, as it turns out, the TPP relinquished United States sovereignty in Obama’s recently signed form.

Sen. Jeff Sessions strongly disagreed with the whole deal. Yet it passed as far as fast track goes. It is not likely to pass into law even with the lowered voting requirements now. The initial vote was overwhelming: 60 to 37. That support is no longer possible and Trump has been hammering away at how our trade deals are so very bad.

Trump says that fast track and the TPP are WRONG. Trump opposes TPP and now it seems both Cruz and Rubio are against it. Before Trump, the system was bent on seeing US sovereignty yielded and terrible trade imbalances institutionalized. Not any more. Trump unabashedly states that the United States must be first. The voters are seemingly agreeing.

Frankly, the list of how Trump has changed the conversation and system is long in number . But, my point was that Trump changed/reformed the system and has continued to do so. He has affected Congress as well as the Republican doctrine in ways that Republicans haven’t been able to muster without him.

In all candor, the Republicans have been prancing around a mound of manure that the Democrats have been building for years in saying that the way to increase a party is by cowing to various groups.

The University of Chicago has long been the hot bed of progressive philosophy, policy and even history in our country. There is even a defined approach to history known as progressive historiography that focuses on conflict and group interests. I am a consensus historiography kind–a-guy. The progressive notion is that groups and conflict are the key to history and life but that view is not shared by everyone. I don’t want to get into the weeds on this either but the Republicans have traveled a path and clawed at a mount that is beneath the dignity and substance of the Grand Ole’ Party for too long.

For years Republicans have increasingly come to grovel at the base of the manure mount where Democrats have claimed the high ground. But, the question has come: Is there another way to build the party without that pile? Trump says, “Yes.” Trump is showing the system and Republicans that the party can grow by drawing people to more jobs and more opportunities regardless of one’s group such as race or gender. Trump is talking about the need to reverse corporate inversion and reversing trade imbalances by discouraging currency manipulators. Trump’s ranging endorsements across a wide front and recognition from women and the black community are all revealing this.

While the notion that someone would vote with their vagina may inspire the inventor in some of us, women want jobs, opportunity, protection from illegal alien violence, and a fair shake to make money in a capitalist system. I do not believe that people are satisfied with welfare as a life goal and it certainly adds nothing to the GDP of our country. For this reason, Trump is also garnering support in the black and other communities and, perhaps, now even among organized labor. I’d say Trump is reforming the system alright. And, the ways are plenty as well as fundamental.


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I had Fox on in the other room while doing a few odd jobs around the house today. About every third word I heard was Kasich (sp) or brokered convention. He must be their new golden boy of the month. I do believe he is a good man and would be far better for the country than any of the D's but he is so far out of the running at this point I don't feel he will be in there at the end of the battles, except maybe as a VP choice. Fox just flat seems to refuse to acknowledge that the battle is between Trump and Cruz as if saying either of their names would be a mortal sin. They are going to have to wake up some day.
 
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The biggest surprise for me, since the start of this thread, is that I'm starting to like Trump-- a bit, anyway. I mean, as a person, as a personality. I never thought that would happen. My support for him has been, up to this point, despite his personality.

And, almost equally surprising, a growing dislike for Cruz. His mixing of evangelical Christianity and politics I find disturbing. His alignment with Glenn Beck, a man with serious mental problems, is part of that troubling mixture.

He has also done and said some deceitful things. If you present yourself as a righteous man of God, you really need to forego those standard kinds of political dirty tricks.


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Fox & the establishment have focused on Kasich as their guy, now that Rubio has tanked & will lose Florida.

They are laying the groundwork for a contested convention.
 
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And, almost equally surprising, a growing dislike for Cruz. His mixing of evangelical Christianity and politics I find disturbing. His alignment with Glenn Beck, a man with serious mental problems, is part of that troubling mixture.



Well, I've never had any illusions about Cruz. I support him because he's a resolute constitutionalist. If he's a prick, so be it. Just as long as he's a constitutionalist prick.


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Haven't had time to read the first 291 pages - but I have to jump in.

(Wagging my index finger in the air with my thumb touching my middle finger).

I could say The Donald reminds me of a scowling, jaw jutting Mussolini, I could say he's a classless bully, I could say he's a flip flopping crony capitalist, I could say he's a hand grenade with a bad haircut, I could say he's a liar, a womanizer, a demagogue... but I'm a nice guy, I wouldn't say things like that (all of that's obvious anyway).

Do we really want Donald J. Trump to be our standard bearer? Isn't the president supposed to represent the best of America? Is this what the pinnacle of Western Civilization has come to?

I find a lot of what He says disgusting, dishonest and dishonorable. Even if you don't agree, would you want your children/grandchildren/fellow citizens to emulate Donald J. Trump?

Looks like this democracy's going to get what it deserves... good and hard!

On the bright side - He does have experience with bankruptcies!
 
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And, almost equally surprising, a growing dislike for Cruz. His mixing of evangelical Christianity and politics I find disturbing. His alignment with Glenn Beck, a man with serious mental problems, is part of that troubling mixture.

Well, I've never had any illusions about Cruz. I support him because he's a resolute constitutionalist. If he's a prick, so be it. Just as long as he's a constitutionalist prick.

I agree, with both of ya.
 
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Haven't had time to read the first 291 pages - but I have to jump in.



I'm thinking you should've stayed the fuck out.

And if you want to know why I'm harsh, it's because I'm sick of the Nazi/Mussolini references which aren't only absurd and disgraceful, but they disrespect the millions of victims who actually suffered under true fascism.

And I'm not even a Trump supporter.


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Word.
 
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Do we really want Donald J. Trump to be our standard bearer? Isn't the president supposed to represent the best of America? Is this what the pinnacle of Western Civilization has come to?



Do tell....who is your choice for winner of the evening gown competition & who has stayed so much above the fray to have earned your esteemed endorsement?
 
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Originally posted by HawkeyeJohn:
Haven't had time to read the first 291 pages - but I have to jump in.

(Wagging my index finger in the air with my thumb touching my middle finger).

I could say The Donald reminds me of a scowling, jaw jutting Mussolini, I could say he's a classless bully, I could say he's a flip flopping crony capitalist, I could say he's a hand grenade with a bad haircut, I could say he's a liar, a womanizer, a demagogue... but I'm a nice guy, I wouldn't say things like that (all of that's obvious anyway).

Do we really want Donald J. Trump to be our standard bearer? Isn't the president supposed to represent the best of America? Is this what the pinnacle of Western Civilization has come to?

I find a lot of what He says disgusting, dishonest and dishonorable. Even if you don't agree, would you want your children/grandchildren/fellow citizens to emulate Donald J. Trump?

Looks like this democracy's going to get what it deserves... good and hard!

On the bright side - He does have experience with bankruptcies!


You want a figure head, I would forgo all that at this point for someone who can just figure this shit out. It's time for kicking ass, not kissing babies.


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Haven't had time to read the first 291 pages - but I have to jump in.
Somewhere around page 67, 89, 112 or something like that, the prerequisites for posting in this thread are listed, and number 46 is that you gotta read the entire thread before commenting.

Sorry
 
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Big Grin
 
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Caution, Hawkeye. There is an epidemic of Cuban Fever going on in this thread. Talking shit about Donald and the dreaming of scenarios of Presidents and VPs are symptoms.
 
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ShowPro, calm down. We all know you don't like Trump.

That is the first time I have asked that question. Take some deep breaths...

Some of those 'reforms' you listed really sucked.


Count to 10, showpro Big Grin
 
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Haha, Trump just walked into the townhall with Hannity with music playing like he was heading to a WWE ring for a wrestling match.


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