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Originally posted by MNSIG:Beyond that, there are a fair number of US Catholics who are very much on board with the "social justice" movement that he espouses.

This is what I find unfathomable. I see where some US Catholics passively say they don't agree with the pope, but I've never seen anyone stand up to him, his Marxist philosophy, or draw a line & say "that's it". I'd like to hear Catholics defend any of his past socialist speeches, in particular this one. No disrespect intended to individual Catholics here, but how can you go along with this blatant hypocrisy? The leader of your religion is a socialist, statist, hypocrit, & I can't imagine any freedom-loving American defending what all this pope has said. Just the fact that he has delved off into American Presidential Primary politics is disgraceful.

He is man just like me & you. He doesn't know a damned thing abouthe afterlife that me & you don't know. His ideas are as valid as an African witch doctors, Jim Jones, or any random Pastafarian. His ideas are anti-American, anti-capitalist, & anti-freedom.

It not only makes me sick that so many people follow him worldwide, but also the fact that no American Catholics will call him out on his bullshit.

I would take Donald Trump as leader ANYDAY before I would that commie loving pope.

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Uh oh.... SOMEBODY is gonna burn in hell!

While I dont equate my faith to that of a witch doctor, I unfortunately equate the Pope to a marxist.

Truth be known, there are far more theories out there about him being the FINAL ruler of the Catholic Faith than there are about Trump being the anti christ. I remember when he was ordained, or voted in, or whatever they call it (guess Im going to hell too!) that his name and lineage were somewhat forboding.

The Boss doesnt care for religion to be injected here, so I will stop here. I will only further state I try to treat others in my life like I would like to be. I sometimes do not see that in this Pope.

Back to Trump.

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Originally posted by k5blazer:
If the Pope wants to interject himself into American politics, perhaps greater attention should be given to the non-profit status of the church here.

^^^

absolutely

and while we're at it, we should go after back taxes as well

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Originally posted by maximus_flavius:

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Originally posted by MNSIG:Beyond that, there are a fair number of US Catholics who are very much on board with the "social justice" movement that he espouses.

This is what I find unfathomable. I see where some US Catholics passively say they don't agree with the pope, but I've never seen anyone stand up to him, his Marxist philosophy, or draw a line & say "that's it". I'd like to hear Catholics defend any of his past socialist speeches, in particular this one. No disrespect intended to individual Catholics here, but how can you go along with this blatant hypocrisy? The leader of your religion is a socialist, statist, hypocrit, & I can't imagine any freedom-loving American defending what all this pope has said. Just the fact that he has delved off into American Presidential Primary politics is disgraceful.

He is man just like me & you. He doesn't know a damned thing abouthe afterlife that me & you don't know. His ideas are as valid as an African witch doctors, Jim Jones, or any random Pastafarian. His ideas are anti-American, anti-capitalist, & anti-freedom.

It not only makes me sick that so many people follow him worldwide, but also the fact that no American Catholics will call him out on his bullshit.

I would take Donald Trump as leader ANYDAY before I would that commie loving pope.

What the hell are you talking about? There have been a few Catholics just in the last few pages of this thread who have called him out. Me included. It's not like we can vote the bum out.

So just who do you know that is defending him? It sure is shit ain't this Catholic. You need to think twice before you speak in absolutes.

I was wavering on Trump the last few weeks, but this really solidified it for me. Fuck it, I'm votin Trump.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...ys-pope-doesnt-care/

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Originally posted by MNSIG:

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Originally posted by maximus_flavius: How can Catholics defend his statement, or even the idea behind it, if not building walls?

He has support because there are about 5 times as many Catholics on the South side of the proposed wall than there are to the North.

Beyond that, there are a fair number of US Catholics who are very much on board with the "social justice" movement that he espouses.

Then let them move to the vatican, see how welcome they are there!

And, yes, the pope should keep his pie hole shut about American political issues!

I told the wife that if the pope was so concerned about the "refugees/immigrants" perhaps he should import a couple 1000 into the vatican. She told me that they had accepted a few. My instant question was, "And how many of them are non-catholic?"

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by maximus_flavius:

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Originally posted by MNSIG:Beyond that, there are a fair number of US Catholics who are very much on board with the "social justice" movement that he espouses.

This is what I find unfathomable. I see where some US Catholics passively say they don't agree with the pope, but I've never seen anyone stand up to him, his Marxist philosophy, or draw a line & say "that's it". I'd like to hear Catholics defend any of his past socialist speeches, in particular this one. No disrespect intended to individual Catholics here, but how can you go along with this blatant hypocrisy? The leader of your religion is a socialist, statist, hypocrit, & I can't imagine any freedom-loving American defending what all this pope has said. Just the fact that he has delved off into American Presidential Primary politics is disgraceful.

He is man just like me & you. He doesn't know a damned thing abouthe afterlife that me & you don't know. His ideas are as valid as an African witch doctors, Jim Jones, or any random Pastafarian. His ideas are anti-American, anti-capitalist, & anti-freedom.

It not only makes me sick that so many people follow him worldwide, but also the fact that no American Catholics will call him out on his bullshit.

I would take Donald Trump as leader ANYDAY before I would that commie loving pope.

What the hell are you talking about? There have been a few Catholics just in the last few pages of this thread who have called him out. Me included. It's not like we can vote the bum out.

So just who do you know that is defending him? It sure is shit ain't this Catholic. You need to think twice before you speak in absolutes.

I'm pretty sure he was referring to the Catholic leadership here in America.

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Money? Money doesn't begin to describe it. They have treasure and loot going back to the Crusades. Immeasurable wealth and splendor girded by a 40 foot wall.

Many years ago the wife and I went through what I call the treasury at the vatican. First, you have to pay entrance fees to get in.

I have never seen so much incredible treasure as well as historical artifacts in one place.

Including instruments used to torture people during the inquisition.

There are "cloaks" there for the pope's use that are so laden with gold and gems that they were so heavy no pope could walk around with it. One piece of statuary was about 2 feet square, perhaps 16 inches high, in several layers, like a pyramid. It was solid gold, and every layer had large gem stones implanted about 4 inches apart.

Sign under it indicated that this was a gift from the peasants of some east European country and they had had paid taxes for nearly 100 years to construct that piece.

Not to mention the untold wealth the catholic church possesses in this country. Take a drive up the Hudson River some time and read the signs on all those huge villas.

And, as someone already pointed out, tax free.

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Originally posted by 12131:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by maximus_flavius:

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Originally posted by MNSIG:Beyond that, there are a fair number of US Catholics who are very much on board with the "social justice" movement that he espouses.

This is what I find unfathomable. I see where some US Catholics passively say they don't agree with the pope, but I've never seen anyone stand up to him, his Marxist philosophy, or draw a line & say "that's it". I'd like to hear Catholics defend any of his past socialist speeches, in particular this one. No disrespect intended to individual Catholics here, but how can you go along with this blatant hypocrisy? The leader of your religion is a socialist, statist, hypocrit, & I can't imagine any freedom-loving American defending what all this pope has said. Just the fact that he has delved off into American Presidential Primary politics is disgraceful.

He is man just like me & you. He doesn't know a damned thing abouthe afterlife that me & you don't know. His ideas are as valid as an African witch doctors, Jim Jones, or any random Pastafarian. His ideas are anti-American, anti-capitalist, & anti-freedom.

It not only makes me sick that so many people follow him worldwide, but also the fact that no American Catholics will call him out on his bullshit.

I would take Donald Trump as leader ANYDAY before I would that commie loving pope.

What the hell are you talking about? There have been a few Catholics just in the last few pages of this thread who have called him out. Me included. It's not like we can vote the bum out.

So just who do you know that is defending him? It sure is shit ain't this Catholic. You need to think twice before you speak in absolutes.

I'm pretty sure he was referring to the Catholic leadership here in America.

In that case, he may have a point.

Right after I posted my comment, Father Johnathan Morris on Fox News was right there on TV defending the Pope.

Son of a bitch...

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
In that case, he may have a point.

Right after I posted my comment, Father Johnathan Morris on Fox News was right there on TV defending the Pope.

Son of a bitch...

I hear you, man. It's this sort of stuff over the last decade that has me to the point I can't even handle going to mass with the missus. Just tired of hearing it.

I'm watching Father Morris right now. He personifies the problem t which I speak. American Catholic leadership is hand in hand with the pope. What a disgrace.

I hate to be flip, but its like American Catholics are more catholic than American.

Morris could be a slick politician, if he ever hears "the calling" ( $ ). He is dancing around the facts of the issue like the Fred Astair.

Would you guys go on national/international television and call out your boss? I doubt it. I don't much care for my boss and I don't think he's doing a very good job, but I damned sure wouldn't write a letter to the editor or go on the six o'clock news and say that.

Fr. Morris was put in a difficult spot, but he did state "To suggest that if he said this that he's not Christian...I think that was a mistake and I wish he had not said that." Not exactly defending the Pope as some suggest.

Honestly, I'm inclined to believe that Pope Francis misspoke. I'd venture to guess that what he meant was that the words and actions are not in keeping with Christianity, and this would be accurate.

He's had a long trip and he's not exactly a spring chicken. I heard today that he also raised his voice at a man who grabbed his arm while he was talking to a wheelchair bound child, causing him to fall into the child. He yelled "do not be selfish!". Perhaps he was just worn out and said it without thinking. Who knows?

I'm no Pope Francis fanboy, and some of his comments are certainly off the wall and leftist. I am not convinced that he needs to wade into some of the waters that he seems to like getting his feet wet in. I simply try to separate that from his role as the spiritual leader of my Church. So far I've been able to do that, but I sure would prefer it if he chose to keep his pie hole shut on the other matters. Oddly, I feel the same about Trump.

ETA: Here is what the Pope said:

"A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not of building bridges, is not Christian. I say only that this man is not Christian if he has said things like that." He then said, "but I give him the benefit of the doubt".

There is a big difference between not being Christian and not being a Christian. Pope Francis did not say that Trump was not a Christian, he stated that he was not Christian if he said these things. He's right.

Back to your regular Catholic bashing.

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^ your thoughts on "the wall" situation/hypocrisy? your other point aside, it seems beyond absurd to even comment on "walls" given their own facilities.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02...ican-walls.html?_r=0

And, if one takes the effort to check Google Earth and see what the Vatican really looks like via satellite view, they would see that Trump's social media director is nothing but a photoshopping hack and a liar. But, I suppose it's easier to just never question anything.

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I'd venture to guess that what he meant was that the words and actions are not in keeping with Christianity, and this would be accurate.

Building a wall is a means to enforcing our LAWS, and to try and prevent criminals from breaking our LAWS.

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. ROMANS 13: 1 & 2

If anyone is acting in an "un-Christian" manner, it is the hordes of criminal illegal aliens flowing over our borders.

Well, after watching the Catholic perv side in the US unfold, I don't think it would be reasonable to trust people that were aware of the perv problem and covered it up for decades. And I think most in the church knew.

The Pope does not in any way, shape, form or fashion have the right to step into US politics.

Trump should have let him have it long and loud.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02...ican-walls.html?_r=0

And, if one takes the effort to check Google Earth and see what the Vatican really looks like via satellite view, they would see that Trump's social media director is nothing but a photoshopping hack and a liar. But, I suppose it's easier to just never question anything.

Is that anything like Cruz photoshopping pics of Rubio with HUSSEIN?

http://www.mediaite.com/online...ng-hands-with-obama/

The Marco Rubio campaign is livid Thursday after the Ted Cruz campaign released a website that includes a photoshopped image of their candidate shaking hands with President Barack Obama.

Cruz’s website “The Real Rubio Record” ironically features a very unreal image of Rubio smiling ecstatically while shaking Obama’s hand. “The Rubio-Obama Trade Pact” the text ominously reads, a reference to Rubio’s support for the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The Cruz website also features a photoshopped image of Rubio smiling while leaning on a business sign reading “Closed.”

Among the red flags that the image is fake… who shakes with their left hand? Certainly not the right-handed Rubio.

The Rubio campaign was predictably less than amused. “This is how phony and deceitful the Cruz campaign has become,” Rubio advisor Todd Harris told a gaggle of reporters in South Carolina, while holding up the image in question.

The pushback comes after Cruz faced criticism for what his opponents termed “dirty tricks” in Iowa. In particular, Cruz was criticized for pointing out an official-looking flyer telling voters they faced a “voter violation” unless they voted for him, and for telling supporters to spread a rumor that Ben Carson was dropping out of the race.

UPDATE (11:13 AM): The Cruz campaign doubled down, telling CNN that they believe the image is authentic.

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Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:
Is that anything like Cruz photoshopping pics of Rubio with HUSSEIN?

Cruz seems to have some advisors that need to go. I can't see how that Photoshopped image doesn't do more harm than good for him.

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Originally posted by MNSIG:

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Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:
Is that anything like Cruz photoshopping pics of Rubio with HUSSEIN?

Cruz seems to have some advisors that need to go. I can't see how that Photoshopped image doesn't do more harm than good for him.

I like Cruz and would vote for him if he's the nominee, but anyone who thinks Cruz is somehow above being dishonest is either delusional or dishonest themselves.

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Originally posted by braillediver:
It's not that I like Trump- It's I dislike everyone who has spoken out against him and don't trust their motives.

This. Trump is a master of publicity and everyone who speaks against him just falls into his trap.

Presidential, no. But, Maybe we need someone just like him to reboot the system of politics in this country.

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