If he were a conservative, he'd be arguing for greater competition and less corruption; more choices rather than fewer and individual payer. When a person begins to sell me government, they become politicians.

Regarding healthcare- we should go back to what we had before the incompetent radical starting screwing up the world. Of course we cannot do that now, because these fools have promised healthcare for everyone. In the process, all but the most wealthy are screwed. They should have never touched any of it. As messed up as it could be in the past, they've made sure that it's messed up for everyone all the time now.

That is how Leftists achieve 'equality'. Now everyone is equally screwed.

Most of us here were overjoyed at the results of the '14 elections, and a big part of that-- maybe the biggest part-- was that we expected what was promised by the Republicans: Repeal of Obamacare.

I heard Rush say today that the intervening two years of Boehner and McConnell have opened eyes: We see now that there is only one party composed of elites with essentially the same agendas. And maybe it is time now for a third-- or true second-- party.

Which is what I hope Trump will do if the Republicans hold an "open convention" and choose the moronic and clueless Jeb Bush.

I will listen carefully to what Trump says about healthcare. The reason it does not worry me unduly right now is that Trump has two unquestionable strengths: finances and negotiation. Repealing Obamacare and replacing it with some form of universal care would call in exactly his greatest strengths. How would he do it? I don't know. Maybe he does not know yet. But I don't think it would be the kind of boondoggle that is Obamacare.

There are ways to in effect go back to what we had before, with governmental care for those with pre-existing conditions or other medical or financial reasons why traditional insurers would not pick them up. I knew that Obamacare was just a ruse to expand power when it "overlooked" much simpler, less intrusive ways of fixing the problems that existed, including opening up competition by ending the proscriptions against insurances companies crossing state lines.

There is more than one way his health care ideas could go down. It wouldn't necessarily have to be all government. Reducing the corporate tax rate could help loosen up more positions for hiring. It's pretty hard to pay for insurance without a job. Reducing tax rates could free up more take-home pay. Maybe he could propose something we've talked about a number of times, being able to purchase health insurance across state lines, and just for a catastrophic illness or injury, or with a high deductible. All of these things would better enable people to buy their own coverage. Maybe we shouldn't dismiss this too quickly.

I do recall from some of his earlier rallies and speeches that he criticized the archaic rules that prevent health insurance being sold across state lines, talking about how his company had to negotiate separately in each state they did business. It's definitely on his radar screen.

One thing you hear is always how the government is going to do things better for less.

Real conservatives would be telling us how government is going to do less, a lot less.

Trump is saying he's "gonna take care of everybody, it'll be fantastic." Really?

JALLEN, do you have a better idea?

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Originally posted by parabellum:
JALLEN, do you have a better idea?

I'm not sure it's better ideas, but I've been hoping to hear how departments are going to close, Education among them, Energy for another.

It seems to me the health care fiasco would be handled by HSAs, the only detriment to which I've heard is that government doesn't get to handle the money and control stuff.

Closing the schools us such a win win win, but nobody running is talking it up.

I still think The Fair Tax is the best answer to taxation, but here again, it up involves little in the way of power to be wielded over taxpayers.

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There is more than one way his health care ideas could go down. It wouldn't necessarily have to be all government

Based on what he has said so far, this is what I'm taking away from it. Those who can't afford it will get a government paid plan. That doesn't sound much different than it always has been. Those who can afford it will get a private plan that they can afford. That doesn't sound much different than the way it was prior to Obamacare.

Trump is getting more interesting everyday. He took a huge shot at the Dems with his tax plan. "That removes nearly 75 million households – over 50% – from the income tax rolls." What will many of voters do that just listen to sound bites. It doesn't matter that many of these people likely don't pay taxes anyway, it sounds good. He knows how to play the game better than any candidate I've seen in since maybe Regan on the GOP side.

Now I don't see our tax code changing that radically. That doesn't matter though. He's playing to the uninformed voter here just like the Dems do.

FWIW I bet if Hillary had come out with this tax plan many of the detractors would be praising it as the next best thing.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
JALLEN, do you have a better idea?

I'm not sure it's better ideas, but I've been hoping to hear how departments are going to close, Education among them, Energy for another.

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Closing the schools us such a win win win, but nobody running is talking it up.

No matter what any of us think education isn't going away. I would like to see someone stand up and say no child left behind is hurting education. Talk about all the stupid testing we do now. How we teach to these test because it's what makes a school look good.

Mark Levin says Trump tax plan is a "hell of a plan"

Seven tax brackets whittled down to four brackets, with the top rate at 25%. Corporate tax down from 35% to 15%. Capital gains back to 20%. No death tax.

BTW, do any other of the candidates, Dems or Republicans, have any detailed plans whatsoever? Is Trump the only one required by the media to present one?

I want to see the end of Property Taxes and thus the beginning of truly owning Private Property (once paid off). I don't give a shit where else the equivalent money is taken from, just stop taking from Land and Homes and shield them from seizure in all but the most extreme circumstances.

what we have now is a lie, in effect, forever tethered to the gov't with a bill due each year. you, your kids, your grand kids, forever paying for property "paid off" ages ago. it needs to stop...

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Originally posted by 46and2:
I want to see the end of Property Taxes and thus the beginning of truly owning Private Property (once paid off). I don't give a shit where else the equivalent money is taken from, just stop taking from Land and Homes and shield them from seizure in all but the most extreme circumstances.

what we have now is a lie, in effect, forever tethered to the gov't with a bill due each year. you, your kids, your grand kids, forever paying for property "paid off" ages ago. it needs to stop...

+1


And, I don't care what and how, get rid of that fucking health insurance mandate. It is unconscionable what they did, coming up with this piece of trash. The very concept is un-American. Fuck them all, those who voted for it, and those who ruled it constitutional.

I belong to a health share plan. Best thing going. $199 a month. $500 out of pocket per incident and 100% after that up to a million bucks. And it is exempt from Obama Careless.
This should be the model to use.
Health Share

Another tax that needs to be rectified is paying tax on a vehicle every time it is sold. Title transfer fees and licensing yes, but sales tax every time is robbery.

unfortunately I think he missed the mark om health care

we don't have a health care problem in this country

we have the best health care in the world - its the reason why people come here to get fixed

what we have is an insurance and tort problem called jackpot medicine - which seems to be a stand-alone industry within the legal profession

reform the malpractice insurance rules, get rid of jackpot medicine and the vultures waiting for every doctor to make a mistake

cap claims to something reasonable - not $30 million for making a mistake

then the cost of healthcare will become affordable, doctors will want to practice again and they won't order every testy in the book for a sprained finger so that some lawyer can sue saying the doc missed something

if you want to see who ruined healthcare in this country - simply look to the lawyers

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
unfortunately I think he missed the mark om health care

we don't have a health care problem in this country

we have the best health care in the world - its the reason why people come here to get fixed

what we have is an insurance and tort problem called jackpot medicine - which seems to be a stand-alone industry within the legal profession

reform the malpractice insurance rules, get rid of jackpot medicine and the vultures waiting for every doctor to make a mistake

cap claims to something reasonable - not $30 million for making a mistake

then the cost of healthcare will become affordable, doctors will want to practice again and they won't order every testy in the book for a sprained finger so that some lawyer can sue saying the doc missed something

if you want to see who ruined healthcare in this country - simply look to the lawyers

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There is always an easy solution to every problem - neat, plausible, and wrong.

H. L. Mencken

You could eliminate malpractice suits, but then the burden of inevitable medical errors and incompetence would be borne by the victims, not the doctors.

Our culture has decided, in these and other areas, that the costs of these inevitable injuries is to be spread by the mechanism of insurance.

If your complaint is about the size of the awards, perhaps you should study the value of the damages awarded by juries, which are studied intensely for use in settlement discussions.

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Originally posted by sigalert:

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:

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Everybody's got to be covered....I am going to take care of everybody...the government's gonna pay for it.

Hmmmm.

I'm guessing he would do some serious haggling with providers. If I'm not mistaken, right now the government is obliged to pay whatever the provider charges. I think he'd get taxpayers a better deal.

I have the impression that he is talking about actual competition between insurance companies. Instead of this collection of outfits that have a virtual monopoly within their states, regions.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:

Our culture has decided, in these and other areas, that the costs of these inevitabl injuries is to be spread by the mechanism of insurance.

If your complaint is about the size of the awards, perhaps you should study the value of the damages awarded by juries, which are studied intensely for use in settlement discussions.

Umm...

No.

Im sorry, but your reply makes it apperar your profession has stood by innocent and acted as a simple mechanism.

Nope.


Please by all means feel free to insult pilots.