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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
Avec vin rouge ou vin blanc? Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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While I probably deserve the joke, my craving probably needs some context, for the past 2 years, we have lived in Paris 8+ months of the year while our elementary age children attend school here. Therefore, aside from the many vacations the schools get in France (2 weeks off every 6 weeks of school plus 2 months in the summer) we are here. French DO NOT know how to make a hamburger. Therefore the last decent American hamburger that I did not cook myself was last August back in the US. While I look forward to our Summer back in the States, it isn't until July 1, and therefore we really wanted Five Guys. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Perfectly understandable. You're in effect living there after all. I wouldn't want to go that long without a decent burger. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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As previously mentioned, LePen is the "right wing" candidate, however her economic policies are very left. | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
I can identify with that. Usually a demi baguette with a cylinder of barely cooked ground meat of uncertain ancestry immersed in a Grey Poupon type fiery mustard along with the fried potatoes in the baguette. Tres bizarre! The worst hamburger I ever had was served in Geneva, at a very posh hotel, just awful, about US$35, too. My grief and despair was ameliorated somewhat by the happenstance that the meal was paid for by my mother in law. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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goodheart |
Since this thread seems to be the one for discussion of European politica, I submit the following long and very insightful article describing the current sociological crisis in France, which is much of the motivation for support of LePen and the Front National: French coming apart I confess to one who long supported globalization, mostly for its very successful role in a striking decline in poverty internationally, but without sufficient attention to the "side effects" in developed Western countries. Globalization also now can be seen not just as increased global trade, but also as increased global migration from the "South" to the "North". The migrants are vastly better off than they were at home, but the country of immigration is changed irreparably. _________________________ “Remember, remember the fifth of November!" | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
 ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
At 5pm, the turnout so far in the first round of the French election is just about 70%. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| Partial dichotomy |
That's huge! Typical for France? SIGforum: For all your needs! Imagine our influence if every gun owner in America was an NRA member! Click the box>>>  | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Yes, very typical. It was just a point higher at that same time in the last election. Expect it to be over 80% when the polls finally close. Yes, we're pathetic in comparison in regards to turnout. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| Big Stack |
Be careful pushing right wing politics in Europe. That's worked out badly, a couple of times. | |||
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The problem with Americans understanding and supporting European politics is simply that the common labels are all scrambled up in relation to the way we think. The quintessential example is that NAZI-like ideals are considered "right wing". But both the Nazis and Fasciists were actually SOCIALISTS. I am sure they understand their parties, but it is a quagmire for Americans to jump into. "Crom is strong! If I die, I have to go before him, and he will ask me, 'What is the riddle of steel?' If I don't know it, he will cast me out of Valhalla and laugh at me." | |||
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Glorious SPAM! |
^^^^ Exactly. Hitler and Stalin were left wing loons by American standards. | |||
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I've always viewed European 'right-wing' as being in support of an aristocracy, monarchists, along with, those who are anti-immigration, and Euro-skeptics. Social programs are viewed with derision and religion doesn't play as large a role as seen in American conservatism. American right-wing is a combination of the free-market economic model, live & let-live social structure and the guardrails of Protestantism. | |||
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| wishing we were congress |
Drudge and France 24 calling the two to go to the final vote: Macron (23.7 %)and Le Pen (21.7 %) https://www.youtube.com/watch?...zic&feature=youtu.be | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
It's too bad it wasn't Fillon and Le Pen. Very likely Macron will ultimately win which means nothing will change in France. He's pretty much the status quo. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Honky Lips |
OR maybe well see the "right" pull together and get her elected. OR Fillon will support Macron.  | |||
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| goodheart |
Tant pis. Agree with Balzé: a Fillon-LePen final would have been better for France. _________________________ “Remember, remember the fifth of November!" | |||
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| Partial dichotomy |
I'm really hoping! Maybe they'll take a cue from us. SIGforum: For all your needs! Imagine our influence if every gun owner in America was an NRA member! Click the box>>> | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
I have to believe that the best she could hope for is to get all of Fillon's voters, and that just wouldn't be enough. On top of that, Fillon in his concession speech just now called on his supporters to back Macron. It just seems impossible for her to win. Impossible though seems to be a winning strategy as of late... ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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