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Originally posted by petr:
Who posted the video on GAB? Can you take a screen shot?

Don’t remember. It was hours ago and the site is super slow.

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The fact is that the President's legal team was unable to provide evidence that there was voter fraud

What Trump provided aside.....

There are still lawsuits pending. The AZ legislature subpoenaed their Dominion machines and ballots and have been fought every step of the way.

How can one possibly present any real evidence when any and all attempts to obtain the evidence are fought? Especially considering the time lines involved.

Perhaps we should limit all federal investigations to 60 days, and if you can't build your case then "oh well".

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The fact is that the President's legal team was unable to provide evidence that there was voter fraud

--- in sufficient numbers to overturn the election. Don't forget that.

There absolutely was voter fraud. Always is. If you google voter fraud and then type in your state name, you will find examples. I did that here in NJ. You will find examples. Not ashamed to admit it. One guy was arrested for filling out and mailing an absentee ballot for his dead mother. It was a Trump vote. I have no doubt that the vast majority go the other way, but it happens.

So can anyone point to a court ruling where cases filed by President Trumps lawyers was dismissed for lack of evidence?

Seems to me, being dismissed on procedural grounds implies evidence was not presented.

How did they determine how many votes were affected by the fractional voting?
Which Judge determined that it was not enough to affect the election results?

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Originally posted by a1abdj:


Perhaps we should limit all federal investigations to 60 days, and if you can't build your case then "oh well".

exactly this. complex cases take many months to build -- and that's when orgs are actually ON BOARD to look for something.

plus -- states are being asked to 'investigate themselves'. extremely strong motivation to say 'NOPE -- NO FRAUD HERE'... what do we expect them to say?

the investigations / audits / certifications were sham efforts. mail in voting an absolute travesty.

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Fraud cases typically take years.

This is my understanding as well.

And there are pending cases in PA (including at SCOTUS) and MI as well, IIRC


https://www.9and10news.com/202...ng-to-2020-election/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/a...ice/?sh=47b4f12a2fcb

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
So can anyone point to a court ruling where cases filed by President Trumps lawyers was dismissed for lack of evidence?

Seems to me, being dismissed on procedural grounds implies evidence was not presented.

Leaked Video Reveals Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey’s Internal Discussions Before Trump Ban

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...reaking-2021-01-15-1

Investigative journalism nonprofit Project Veritas on Thursday released a leaked video that appears to show Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey’s internal discussions before President Donald Trump’s account was banned on the social media platform following the breach of the U.S. Capitol building.

“You should always feel free to express yourself in whatever format manifestation feels right,” Dorsey said in the clip, purportedly secretly filmed by a Twitter “insider whistleblower.”

“We are focused on one account [@realDonaldTrump] right now, but this is going to be much bigger than just one account, and it’s going to go on for much longer than just this day, this week, and the next few weeks, and it’s going to go on beyond the inauguration,” Dorsey added. “And we have to expect that and we have to be ready for that.”

“So, the focus is certainly on this account and how it ties to real-world violence. But also, we need to think much longer-term around how these dynamics play out over time. I don’t believe this is going away anytime soon,” Dorsey told staff in the clip.

Project Veritas suggested in a Twitter post that the video leak is evidence of “censorship gone wild.”

Twitter permanently banned Trump from its platform on Jan. 8, two days after a mob broke into the U.S. Capitol during a joint session of Congress convened to certify the results of the 2020 presidential election. The company alleged that Trump had incited the violence.

The move was met with criticism from world leaders, including the president of France and chancellor of Germany. Trump accused Twitter of colluding with the Democrats. Facebook and YouTube have also removed Trump’s accounts.

In the leaked video that has accumulated over two million views in a few hours, Dorsey suggested he may be planning to enforce “much bigger” actions than the ban of Trump on the platform, making reference to a company purge of QAnon linked accounts.

A large number of pro-Trump accounts have recently been deleted by Twitter.

“You know, the U.S. is extremely divided. Our platform is showing that every single day,” Dorsey said. “And our role is to protect the integrity of that conversation and do what we can to make sure that no one is being harmed based off that. And that is our focus.”

James O’Keefe, founder of the journalism watchdog group, said Thursday that further leaks from the social media giant are coming from other whistleblowers.

“Stay tuned. They may be private companies, but they have more power than all three branches of government,” O’Keefe told viewers.

Twitter didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment by The Epoch Times.

The clip’s release follows a statement from Dorsey on Jan. 13 in which he acknowledged that the company’s decision to remove Trump was divisive and set a dangerous precedent.

“Having to take these actions fragment [sic] the public conversation. They divide us. They limit the potential for clarification, redemption, and learning. And sets a precedent I feel is dangerous: the power an individual or corporation has over a part of the global public conversation,” Dorsey wrote on Twitter.

“I do not celebrate or feel pride in our having to ban [Trump] from Twitter, or how we got here. After a clear warning we’d take this action, we made a decision with the best information we had based on threats to physical safety both on and off Twitter. Was this correct?” Dorsey continued.

“I believe this was the right decision for Twitter. We faced an extraordinary and untenable circumstance, forcing us to focus all of our actions on public safety. Offline harm as a result of online speech is demonstrably real, and what drives our policy and enforcement above all.”

One final snub


Trump:

Kept you out of war, finally got NATO to stop freeloading AND replenished a worn down military that Osama Obama used and abused for 8 years

Pentagon:

Piss off!


Pentagon Won’t Throw Traditional Farewell Ceremony for Trump

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Originally posted by Fed161:

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The fact is that the President's legal team was unable to provide evidence that there was voter fraud

--- in sufficient numbers to overturn the election. Don't forget that.

First of all: The President's team absolutely presented evidence there was voter fraud. And they presented evidence there was fraud in numbers sufficient to affect the outcome of the election. What they didn't provide was proof of either. Evidence ≠ proof.

Part of the problem was they were shut down by all the courts. In many cases on procedural grounds only. In other cases because the Judges decided their evidence was either not believable or was not compelling.

From what I saw, many of those were like saying "Ok, you see smoke, but have you seen actual fire? No? Case dismissed."

Worse than that was the absolute failure of U.S. law enforcement, at any level, to pursue any of the claims based on the evidence presented. E.g.: Barr claimed federal LE had looked into the claims of election fraud and found nothing, yet, according to Guiliani, not a single one of the people they had that had signed sworn affidavits were interviewed.

As I've said before: I do not know there was significant fraud. I do not know it occurred to the extent that it would affect the outcomes of any elections. What I do know is I have what I feel to be reasonable suspicions both occurred and "my" government, at all levels, in all three branches, dropped the ball. Thus I have no confidence anybody elected in this last election was elected legitimately.

And I never will.

Has the FBI found Ruby Freeman yet?

Out of the 62 lawsuits filed challenging the presidential election, 61 have failed.

Some cases were dismissed for lack of standing and others based on the merits of the voter fraud allegations. The decisions have came from both Democratic-appointed and Republican-appointed judges – including federal judges appointed by Trump.

In Pennsylvania 13 different law suits were filed both on procedural and evidentiary grounds (that includes attempts to submit evidence of voter fraud). All of them failed.

https://www.businessinsider.co...tion-results-2020-11

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The decisions have came from both Democratic-appointed and Republican-appointed judges – including federal judges appointed by Trump.

Thanks for the Liberal Media talking point, which is wholly irrelevant.

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Originally posted by Fed161:
Some cases were dismissed for lack of standing and others based on the merits of the voter fraud allegations. The decisions have came from both Democratic-appointed and Republican-appointed judges – including federal judges appointed by Trump.

You keep repeating that as if doing so would make it any more meaningful.

Fed161, you seem to have a slight bias with respect to these court cases. Set those aside for a minute. Have you examined the mountains of evidence in the various "battleground" states? Watched the hearings the state legislatures have conducted? Read the statistical analyses of experts? Watched video recordings of irrefutable fraud occurring? I'm just curious if you have done any of these. I suspect you genuinely believe this election was legitimate.

I agree with ensigmatic - I think he has it right.
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As I've said before: I do not know there was significant fraud. I do not know it occurred to the extent that it would affect the outcomes of any elections. What I do know is I have what I feel to be reasonable suspicions both occurred and "my" government, at all levels, in all three branches, dropped the ball. Thus I have no confidence anybody elected in this last election was elected legitimately.
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You nailed it here. I agree with that. Our best hope is to beat the Dems in 2022 to the extent that as Hugh Hewitt said - If it's not close, they can't cheat enough to win. But I also like Tim Scott's idea for an election integrity commission: https://www.wtoc.com/2021/01/0...y-november-election/

Time for me to step out of this thread. I'm sure nobody is going to have a problem with that. I do enjoy trading facts, opinions, and perspectives from fellow conservatives. In case there is any doubt, yes I did vote for Trump twice. And I put my money where my mouth is by contributing to conservatives in tough election battles - because our side is best for the country, my children and my grandchildren.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...reaking-2021-01-15-1

Leaked Video Reveals Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey’s Internal Discussions Before Trump Ban
BY ISABEL VAN BRUGEN January 15, 2021 Updated: January 15, 2021biggersmaller Print
Investigative journalism nonprofit Project Veritas on Thursday released a leaked video that appears to show Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey’s internal discussions before President Donald Trump’s account was banned on the social media platform following the breach of the U.S. Capitol building.

“You should always feel free to express yourself in whatever format manifestation feels right,” Dorsey said in the clip, purportedly secretly filmed by a Twitter “insider whistleblower.”

“We are focused on one account [@realDonaldTrump] right now, but this is going to be much bigger than just one account, and it’s going to go on for much longer than just this day, this week, and the next few weeks, and it’s going to go on beyond the inauguration,” Dorsey added. “And we have to expect that and we have to be ready for that.”

“So, the focus is certainly on this account and how it ties to real-world violence. But also, we need to think much longer-term around how these dynamics play out over time. I don’t believe this is going away anytime soon,” Dorsey told staff in the clip.

Project Veritas suggested in a Twitter post that the video leak is evidence of “censorship gone wild.”

Twitter permanently banned Trump from its platform on Jan. 8, two days after a mob broke into the U.S. Capitol during a joint session of Congress convened to certify the results of the 2020 presidential election. The company alleged that Trump had incited the violence.

The move was met with criticism from world leaders, including the president of France and chancellor of Germany. Trump accused Twitter of colluding with the Democrats. Facebook and YouTube have also removed Trump’s accounts.

In the leaked video that has accumulated over two million views in a few hours, Dorsey suggested he may be planning to enforce “much bigger” actions than the ban of Trump on the platform, making reference to a company purge of QAnon linked accounts.

A large number of pro-Trump accounts have recently been deleted by Twitter.

“You know, the U.S. is extremely divided. Our platform is showing that every single day,” Dorsey said. “And our role is to protect the integrity of that conversation and do what we can to make sure that no one is being harmed based off that. And that is our focus.”

James O’Keefe, founder of the journalism watchdog group, said Thursday that further leaks from the social media giant are coming from other whistleblowers.

“Stay tuned. They may be private companies, but they have more power than all three branches of government,” O’Keefe told viewers.

Twitter didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment by The Epoch Times.

The clip’s release follows a statement from Dorsey on Jan. 13 in which he acknowledged that the company’s decision to remove Trump was divisive and set a dangerous precedent.

“Having to take these actions fragment [sic] the public conversation. They divide us. They limit the potential for clarification, redemption, and learning. And sets a precedent I feel is dangerous: the power an individual or corporation has over a part of the global public conversation,” Dorsey wrote on Twitter.

“I do not celebrate or feel pride in our having to ban [Trump] from Twitter, or how we got here. After a clear warning we’d take this action, we made a decision with the best information we had based on threats to physical safety both on and off Twitter. Was this correct?” Dorsey continued.

“I believe this was the right decision for Twitter. We faced an extraordinary and untenable circumstance, forcing us to focus all of our actions on public safety. Offline harm as a result of online speech is demonstrably real, and what drives our policy and enforcement above all.”

Ivan Pentchoukov contributed to this report.

Republican appointed judges mean nothing, most will lie to get what ever they want, just like politicians, who will owe you to get where they got, and stab you in the back once they get it. The establishment wants their rules followed, Trump has exposed them all, and who they are. It’s,our job to get rid of them now.

What many (ok- almost all) of us want now to settle this, is some explanation or determination on why the dozens if not hundreds of examples of anomalies exist at all. I don't see the mob but I heard the voices and I saw the long shadows. Don't tell me they were not there!!

No satisfactory explanation has been given, and in fact as stated many times findings have been blocked, obfuscated, and comically denied. Wouldn't it have just been easier to show all the ballots? Or show us the flash drives? Where did the mail truck go? Lets compare real ballots and signatures. Swing states all stop counting, all send observers home, all have ballot dumps during the wee hours (there are your numbers!!). Fractional ballots anyone? Has anyone seen a reasonable explanation why more ballots came in overnight than can be counted by the machines available? More votes than on voter rolls, DOH! I cannot recall each one as I raise my BP while I type.