The way I see it now fellas is that each of us are going to need to decide one of the following (there may be others, but I believe these are the most likely).

1. Cower and die on your knees (eventually)
2. Attempt to work within the system to "fix it"
3. Engage in civil disobedience and being very vocal (protests, boycotts, sit-ins, etc., enough to interrupt commerce and livelihoods of the "elites")
4. Take up arms, win, and form a new government as per our founding documents.

There is no "all of the above" for any one person.

I have resigned myself to #'s 3 and 4 personally. Would love to see # 2 work, but I am highly doubtful this can be done quickly enough to save the country.

Being as serious and well reasoned as I can be given the current facts available to me.

It is a GD shame that we are in this position.

PS - I am not in any way being a defeatist. I am ready for whatever form the fight takes. I am not going out on my knees.

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Originally posted by lbaker45:
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Yeah, I’m sure Rudy’s got them now, just like he’s had them many times over the past two months. This time for sure!

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...ons-capitol-n2582788

Capitol Police Chief Resigns Following Debacle at Capitol

Chief Steven Sund of the Capitol Police is stepping down following Wednesday's debacle at the nation's Capitol. Sund's resignation is effective January 16.

Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle called on Sund to resign after a large crowd of Trump supporters gathered in Washington, D.C. on Wednesday and a contingent of demonstrators breached the U.S. Capitol. Congressional offices were ransacked and rioters made their way onto the House floor.

Officers are "frustrated and demoralized" with how a lack of leadership undermined the response to the mob, according to a statement from Gus Papathanasiou, the union chairman. Papathanasiou laid the blame on a failure and planning while praising officers for their work.

"We prioritized lives over property, leading people to safety," the statement said. "Not one Member of Congress or their staff was injured. Our officers did their jobs. Our leadership did not. Our Law Enforcement partners that assisted us were remarkable.”

The Associated Press reported that Capitol Police turned down an offer from the Pentagon to receive help from the National Guard in preparation for the planned event. Despite heightened tensions over a contentious election and Antifa's history of counterprotests, the Capitol Police planned only for a free speech demonstration.

As protesters stormed the Capitol on Wednesday, one Trump supporter was shot and killed by Capitol Police. A Utah man known for organizing violent Antifa and BLM protests was spotted standing near the gunned down woman. Footage also shows Trump supporters attempting to stop members in the crowd from breaking into the Capitol.

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Originally posted by Dwill104:

Yeah, I’m sure Rudy’s got them now, just like he’s had them many times over the past two months. This time for sure!

Come on man.
I've no doubt he and others actually have "the goods" but when everyone from the judiciary to elected officials refuse to look at it you want to blame Rudy?

bozman;

#1 isn't in my cards...

The only way #2 works is if we fold and follow the dems rules. Ain't no attempting to work with them. Its their way or nothing.....

We saw how #3 is being presented today....

Looks like that leave's only #4....

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Originally posted by bozman:
...I am not going out on my knees.

This guy agrees with you.

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Originally posted by Mustang-PaPa:
bozman;

#1 isn't in my cards...

The only way #2 works is if we fold and follow the dems rules. Ain't no attempting to work with them. Its their way or nothing.....

We saw how #3 is being presented today....

Looks like that leave's only #4....

one thing I hope will come from this:

we - the right - need to do a better job of organizing.

we have definitely improved the last four years at 'showing up'. yesterday was proof of that. so were all the Trump rallies. The pro-gun protests in VA were also.

but yesterday as near as I can tell -- was pretty much a rabble. take Trump out of the equation -- and where are we?

the GOP will be no factor going forward. political efforts are important but way too many 'GOP' reps are positively spineless.

I for one will be looking for 'organized' groups to be a part of.

say what you will about yesterday -- the fact the legislators had to evacuate is going to leave a mental impression of what may be down the pike if we get to that point...

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The Z-man weighs in. Please read.
https://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=22458

Released about an hour ago:



Where the hell was this Donald Trump the past 4 years?

If "this" Donald Trump had run for reelection we would not even be having this conversation.

This speech makes me more angry than any other speech or tweet he has ever made.

President Trump has a short video out.

YouTube Link

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
What makes anybody think that any other government agency/employee is going to abide by anything Trump orders?

Got that right:

Still waiting on the DNI report that was due on 12-18-2020 about foreign interference in the election

God Bless President Donald J. Trump.

Yep.

Great article by John Hayward. Sorry for the formatting - it was actually written as a series of Tweets.
Link

He makes an obvious but well-stated point: If the acceptable level of political violence from ANY side is not zero, it cannot be that one side's acceptable level is higher than any other's.



"Political violence is always wrong and should never be tolerated from anyone. Once "protesters" threaten lives and property, their grievances and ideology should become absolutely irrelevant to the situation.

That is, obviously, not the country we live in.

Long ago, we had an attitude of zero tolerance for terrorism, "we do not negotiate with terrorists," etc. One reason for this was the implicit understanding that negotiating with terrorism legitimizes it. Violence becomes an instrument of politics.

Some of us warned all last year that treating violence as acceptable, even laudable, from SOME people would mainstream it and touch off an arms race. Everyone would start getting the idea that only groups with a demonstrated capacity for violence are taken seriously.

When violence becomes acceptable from one party and its clients, one ideology, it becomes an instrument of authoritarianism. That's why authoritarian regimes frequently have violent vigilante groups roaming the streets in addition to their vast security and military forces.

Iran, for example, has all sorts of heavily armed police and security forces, working for both its secular and theocratic governments, but it ALSO has ultra-violent "vigilante" groups indulged by the State whose "grievances" supposedly justify vandalism and murder.

Either political violence is rejected in total - from everyone, for any reason, no matter who they are or what they believe - or it isn't. Once the tolerance level is no longer zero, we become locked in a vicious and endless struggle to control exactly what the level should be.

This is similar to the detestable way modern society handles racism. The tolerance level should be zero, but it isn't. Racism, prejudice, and discrimination are acceptable from SOME people toward SOME people. "Anti-racism" is an instrument of totalitarian power, not a principle.

Of course the particulars of protecting vital government facilities are different, but in principle the law-abiding residents and shop owners of Kenosha should have the same expectation of protection from political violence as politicians in D.C. But they don't, do they?

Every time a left-wing group gets violent, we're immediately told the protest was Mostly Peaceful, and the people who assembled peaceably - and their political leaders, no matter how incendiary their rhetoric - are 0% responsible for any injury or destruction that occurred.

We're told it's really all OUR fault for not listening to the grievances of the "protesters" who turned violent, even as we watch video of them merrily looting retail stores. We forced them to steal those TV sets by not yielding to their political demands!"

Irresponsible political leaders who fanned the flames of left-wing violence and help the perpetrators escape accountability for their actions are never held to account, never told they must resign, rarely even advised to tone down their rhetoric.

And many - most - of the left-wing riots and killings of recent memory were based on falsehoods and misinformation. Outright lies were blasted by left-wing politicians and media without consequence, entirely BECAUSE they wanted to whip people into a frenzy.

And we were told all of that was fine, acceptable, even praiseworthy because their violence brought CHANGE and their lies illuminated DEEPER TRUTH. Okay, sure, we got everything about Mike Brown or Trayvon Martin's deaths wrong, but there were legit grievances to be addressed!

We have to stop doing that. We have to insist that every quarter of our political spectrum renounce violence, and the willful incitement to violence, completely and absolutely. No more cutesy-poo nudge-nudge wink-wink when lefties burn and pillage. No more double standards.

No more celebration of Noble Lies that illuminate Deeper Truth by the light of burning homes and businesses that were destroyed by mobs with Legitimate Grievances. No more indulgences for those who wantonly break the laws of the System That Failed Them.

That is a principle, and we should all be able to agree on it, no matter what else we disagree on. Absolute zero tolerance for political violence is a message that can save lives and prevent destruction if we all say it together and demand our government acts accordingly.

But if we decide the tolerance level for political violence will not be 0.0, then all that remains is for our armies to meet in the streets. Violence is too powerful, too USEFUL, and too profitable to be ignored when it is indulged."

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Originally posted by sigspecops:
I have no problems with angry conservatives storming the building, I just didn't want it done while the electoral protest was happening.

. Attorney General Rosen has indicated that conspiracy to commit sedition is going to apply . There are dozens of BOLO alerts for individuals who were photographed or on video. The exception is a Richard Barnett of Arkansas who was in the Speakers office, he was giving interviews.

I think that short message was probably the hardest thing he has had to do so far.
He did it to hold the peace. He is a fighter and we can only hope that he continues to fight for us.

He is and always will be my president. President Trump thank you for all that you have done for us and hopefully will continue to do in the future.

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:
Released about an hour ago:



Where the hell was this Donald Trump the past 4 years?

If "this" Donald Trump had run for reelection we would not even be having this conversation.

This speech makes me more angry than any other speech or tweet he has ever made.

Why would he have made such a speech in the past? He did not expect to lose the election and he did not lose it. He probably had not foreseen that the Deep State was so vast and entrenched that his court challenges were to be total railroads, that the turncoats in Congress would do nothing to help him and on and on. I kind of wish his speech had been the opposite of this. We need to get this party started while there's someone at the top still willing to lead the fight.

US Capitol Police Officer dies following injuries sustained during riot

https://www.wjhl.com/news/nati...stained-during-riot/

A U.S. Capitol Police Officer has died after suffering injuries in Wednesday’s riots at the U.S. Capitol Complex.

More than 50 Capitol and D.C. police were injured, including several who were hospitalized, U.S. Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund said in a statement before the death was reported.

A source confirmed to NewsNation D.C. Bureau reporter Alexandra Limon the officer was taken off life support and died after they were hit in the head with a fire extinguisher by a rioter.

^^^Tucker Carlson reporting on FOX News that the referenced U.S. Capitol Police Officer did NOT die and remains hospitalized.


ETA - Here's the (revised?) headline from the linked article above: "US Capitol Police say reports of officer death not accurate"

Except that photo didn't happen.


There is enough obvious "in our face" crap the enemies of this Republic do, day in and day out.

Posting these type of "urban myths", only bring derision from people who might otherwise be informed.