Inclusive Capitalism?
"We have to act collectively"...
That makes no sense.
Capitalism is a willing buyer and a willing seller entering into a voluntary transaction whereby both perceive a benefit.
It is based purely on private property; There is no collective activity.

Guys, how about starting another thread with this bullshit communist Francis guy and stop contaminating this thread further?

Things are looking more and more like a Kurt Schlichter novel;

Rush Limbaugh Says Conservative States Are 'Trending Toward Secession' From U.S.

https://www.newsweek.com/rush-...secession-us-1553767

I certainly don't think Rush says things like this lightly so the comment certainly gets my attention

18 states have now stepped into the fray...are people counting heads so to speak?

And its not about money directly, its about power, and they realize money is power so they and their ilk are at the top and pulling the ladder up so no one (esp not a populist like Trump or someone that supports him) can climb up and challenge them.

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Originally posted by Ripley:

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Originally posted by Mr. Kook:
https://youtu.be/uySdMbZHjms

Things are getting weirder. This isn't directly related to the election. Major power brokers (Vatican, Rothschilds, others) are engineering a reset to a more collective economic model. The video above is their marketing propaganda.

We really need Trump to win.

"If you make money, what's the point if you're not prepared to share it?"

I had to bail out half way through, which probably cuts my social credit score by half.

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Originally posted by dewhorse:
Things are looking more and more like a Kurt Schlichter novel;

Rush Limbaugh Says Conservative States Are 'Trending Toward Secession' From U.S.

https://www.newsweek.com/rush-...secession-us-1553767

I certainly don't think Rush says things like this lightly so the comment certainly gets my attention

18 states have now stepped into the fray...are people counting heads so to speak?

Maybe it’s time to go from the Red, White, and Blue to the Red and White, and the Blue and White. But can it be?

by Paul H. Yarbrough
December 10, 2020

The red and the blue—states that is—are as different as the colorless black and white landscapes absent from the color spectrum. The concept of separate states for separate cultures is as old as Canaan and Egypt. The concept of separation for moral law is as old as these two, as well.

Today on any given “news” outlet, maps are displayed of the 50 United states with some states colored red and some colored blue. The distinction is usually drawn that the blue are democrats, the red Republicans. The blue, supposedly, are more liberal (not literally), the red more conservative (again not literally). But each a conglomeration of each of the other with the color running anywhere from 55-45% to 65-35%, the majority number determining the color of the state. And that majority is generally a fixture of the wants and needs of that state and often its culture.

Once, the original states (formerly colonies) were drawn into a confederated union for defense in their efforts to secede from their covenant host in Europe—The British Empire. Their secession was not from a tyrannical king, though such nonsense is perpetrated constantly by the socialistic-styled Eric Foner historical mischief i.e. that the colonies declared a single unilateral declaration of independence as a single state. This is ahistorical and therefore rubbish.

In fact, they seceded from the British Empire which was controlled by its parliament which, in fact, was controlled by The East India Company. This was, in its time, a corporate welfare beast that was (again in its time) probably more powerful than Google and Amazon combined, today.

The Boston Tea party took place due to the East India Company’s arm twisting of parliament which allowed, through corrupt legislation, the EIC a monopoly on tea from The British Empire into the colonies. The colonists were not going to pay a tax that was designed around corruption.

The colonies became THESE United States and not THE United States—the former being the factual truth. Five states had singularly seceded via each’s declaration of independence prior to the now-famous July 4th Declaration of Independence: Virginia, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Rhode Island, and South Carolina. The entirety of 13 signed the single document in July 1776 (following the Jefferson-Virginia styled document) purely as a show of strength. At the time there was no body of a single colonial government other than a Continental Congress, which had no authority other than suggestive influence through mutual consent among the independent colonies.

The Articles of Confederation came five years later and the U.S. Constitution 11 years later. But both of these were confederated republics and NOT a national state. More Eric Foner et al ahistorical foolishness.

A pure reading of the July 4th Declaration of Independence states that the colonies seceded and were assuming their places as independent states (not a state) among the nations of the world.

From Declaration of Independence: That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent states; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.”

The constant tug of war between the Federalists and Anti-Federalists from the 1787-1790 U.S. Constitution and subsequent Bill of Rights amendments, up unto the Kansas-Nebraska Act, at least, left the generally Agrarian South and Industrial/Navigation North so far apart as to offer no choice but secession for one culture or the other. Even at that, the upper Southern states were willing to remain in union with the Northern Industrialists and attempt a go of it.

Seventy years after the Constitution (not “four score and seven” hogwash) had been ratified, the 8th secession impulse had arisen, the recent being the first in the South. The Confederate States of America (C.S.A.) seceded and formed a confederated republic in Montgomery, Alabama.

Previous secession considerations were as follows:

* The New York proposal by its Senator Rufus King and Oliver Ellsworth to dissolve the Union (1794)

* Opponents of Jefferson’s 1803 Louisiana Purchase, notably Josiah Quincy III

* The New England secessionists during the War of 1812

* The Hartford secessionists and their supporters in the Essex Junto (1814-15)

* The secessionism of Federalist and former President John Quincy Adams (1839)

* Abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison and the New England Anti-Slavery Conventions (1834, 1844, 1858)

* The proposed secession of five Middle Atlantic states (1860).

However, when Lincoln called for troops to invade the South in order to drag them back into the old union, Virginia, North Carolina, Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Missouri declared independence and themselves seceded. Lincoln, now completely determined to unlawfully (unconstitutionally) use troops, invaded Kentucky and Missouri, captured their legislatures, and occupied them. The battle flag of the Confederacy, however, has always retained its 13 stars.

After the war, the conquered South forced back into a single national state, created by Lincoln and the Republicans remained loyal to its belief that secession was legal and proper. But they joined with honor.

As a final insult, in 1869, in Supreme Court Ruling, 5-3, in Texas vs White, the court ruled by Salmon Chase—the John Roberts of the day-that the South had no right to secede (though the 13 colonies apparently had such a right). Chase’s opinion was not based on anything other than as a Lincoln appointee (as were the other concurring justices) he had to make a slaughter (erroneously called a Civil War) of over 600,000 Americans seem acceptable, if not legal. Also, it was to renege on bearer bonds due to people in the state of Texas. In other words, the ruling was so much political bilge.

So much for the past. Now for the prologue:

Today, much of the old South retains its view of secession as well as its large agrarian culture. The South is mostly a red area politically. And even the extension of red areas into the mountain states and mid-west is a culture of landowners, independent business owners, and generally devotees of small limited governance. Such governance desires absence from lockdowns, mandatory masks, endless government foreign wars, high taxes for social tinkering, and pseudo-scientific green nonsense.

Further the idea that though they have fallen from a republic (a government with limited voters who necessarily follows the law) to a democracy where the mob grows larger and larger, hardly holds for them.

Finally, a system where dead people vote and imaginary people vote in order to defraud the people of their choice of president, and governors who lock them up might be too much. Political thugs demand of them that which these thugs are themselves unwilling to do.

These same blue-governments foist a dishonest system on the people where certain taxpayers are not allowed to work but still must pay taxes so these political thugs can get their “essential” paychecks.

Many people (me, for one, in Texas) will stand up and state categorically that they have no desire to remain under a government where what has become known as the Washington “Deep State” rules via bureaucrats and corrupt state-like police such as the F.B.I., C.I.A. and the I.R.S.

In my view these are no more protective of the people and their rights than The Center for Disease Control or any number of M.D.s who act more like political hooligans than Hippocrates students of healing.

However, spitting into two areas, red and blue still has problems. The un-structuring of the two monstrous beasts of the Federal Reserve (not even constitutional) and the IRS need immediate attention. This second beast is technically constitutional in its creation but has destroyed much of the rest of the constitution by its own high-handed (see Lois Lerner as one of a myriad of examples) practices over its history.

And not the least of the problems is the split in political character in the red zone. Many so-called conservatives simply abide the traditional Southern conservativism for the gain of the Republican party. The Republican party was founded in nationalism and warfare and remains tied to it through its RINOs and its own Washington “Deep Staters.”

These are the same people who have tied the world-wide caste and 5000 years of what has been generally called “slavery” to the American South. This is the same South where only 5% of these slaves brought to the western Hemisphere ended up in the American South. But today, the South and its red block of determinative conservatives are damned constantly with the ubiquitous and so-called ambiguous epithet—RACIST.

Therefore, the biggest block of conservatives is the biggest block of red-staters—the South. But they are condemned to pay for slavery although they had the least criminal intent and the least responsibility in it insofar as slavery being transported to the New World.

So, two reds and a blue are the splits to be had.

The only way of a successful secession would be for the truth to be told historically. That truth? That the republic was destroyed in 1865. A national government was formed and has grown into a nearly complete socialist-Marxist leviathan. Voters have no say. The unelected Washington Deep State has all to say.

The red states need to understand what freedom is. But they can only understand this if they understand what secession is. They can only understand if they truly understand what a declaration of independence means. If they can ever listen to historians who know what it meant.

Limbaugh claimed that "there cannot be a peaceful coexistence" between liberal and conservative America, which he said had increasingly different cultures.

That's correct. Socialism/communism is not compatible with freedom. We can't just opt out. Socialism/communism must be imposed on all of us. It's not a voluntary system. The productive and self-sufficient are strip-mined by the parasites. It cannot be accommodated; it must be defeated or we must separate ourselves.

The various talk from both sides about secession is troubling to me. We paid a lot as a nation, in blood, sweat and tears 160 odd years ago, to keep this nation whole. All the history before and after that conflict, to include all the wars and strife and collective suffering through various trials. All those souls, the departed, many of whom gave their lives directly for this country. Any time I think about what any secession scenario would look like, I feel their eyes upon me. Just thinking about it feels like a betrayal of all their sacrifices.

Nope.

I don't care what I have to do, but I will not stand idly by while this nation breaks into pieces. If differences with some are irreconcilable, fine, they can die for their cause. But this nation lives on, in it's entirety.

That phrase, 'Make America Great Again' may seem trite for some, but nonetheless it starts here.

SHAFFER: Here’s The Evidence Of Widespread Election Fraud.

Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer

The establishment keeps claiming there’s “no evidence of widespread fraud” in the 2020 presidential election. That was never entirely accurate, but now it’s a whopper of Clintonian proportions.

Over the course of an extensive press conference, the Amistad Project of the Thomas More Society introduced three whistleblowers who together painted a comprehensive and interlocking picture of illegality and malfeasance involving hundreds of thousands of ballots being prepared, curated, and moved across state lines.



The first whistleblower was Gregory Stenstrom, a Navy veteran and computer scientist who served as a Republican poll watcher in Delaware County, Pennsylvania, just outside of Philadelphia. After a five-hour battle just to gain access to the centralized counting center, Stenstrom witnessed a number of significant abnormalities and breaches of protocol.

Stenstrom was at ground zero of the Democrat’s cheat — the point where all their preparation had to (and did) come together

First, Stenstrom saw election workers carrying postal trays full of ballots out of a locked back room. When he asked for access to the room in order to observe what was going on inside — something he was entitled to do as a credentialed election observer — he was flatly refused by an election supervisor. After offering a number of increasingly flimsy excuses, the supervisor eventually exclaimed, “there’s no fraud going on” — as though her assurances should have been considered the final word on the matter.

Stenstrom wouldn’t accept that, and eventually got a judge to order that he and other poll watchers must be allowed into the room for five minutes every two hours. When he got back there, he saw boxes containing what he calculated to be more than 50,000 completed ballots, despite having been previously told that only 6,000 ballots remained to be brought onto the main counting room floor.

Later, Stenstrom saw election workers uploading votes from the USB drives used in voting machines. In the process, they separated those drives from their accompanying cartridges and paper tapes, rendering it impossible to conduct a post-election audit. When Stenstrom objected, he was told that this was just how things have always been done.

The secrecy and malfeasance Stenstrom saw inside the Delaware County counting center is direct evidence of wrongdoing and circumstantial evidence of coordinated election fraud. Amistad Project Director Phill Kline, a former district attorney and Attorney General of Kansas, pointed out during the press conference that he’s never investigated a guilty person who hasn’t tried to conceal evidence of their wrongdoing. Concealing evidence is exactly what the election workers in Delaware County were doing.

But if there were tens of thousands of fraudulent ballots in a back room, they must have come from somewhere. That’s where the other two whistleblowers, both subcontractors for the United States Postal Service, come in.

Ethan Pease worked for a subcontractor in Wisconsin, and his job involved delivering carts of mail-in ballots. After getting rebuked for an early oversight, he always made sure to check that the ballots were in his truck. That’s why he was distressed to be told after the election that USPS workers had been instructed to find 100,000 undelivered ballots in the course of court-ordered “sweeps” of postal facilities. Later, he heard two different workers on separate occasions mention that USPS workers had been ordered to backdate thousands of ballots to make it appear as though they were received on November 3, even though they were actually received on November 4 and 5.

The most shocking story related during the press conference came from Jesse Morgan, a truck driver who transported hundreds of thousands of completed ballots from Bethpage, New York to Central Pennsylvania on October 21. Morgan’s experience is the key to understanding the method used to transport large numbers of illegal ballots.

Morgan experienced a huge number of “weird” situations that day, which together suggest that he was an unwitting pawn in a massive election fraud scheme.

First, Morgan was not allowed to unload in Harrisburg — the ostensible destination of the boxes of ballots he was hauling. When he complained, he was confronted by a transportation supervisor, who refused to provide him with documentation that he was ever in Harrisburg and told him to continue on to Lancaster without unloading. The next day, his trailer had vanished, along with all the ballots. To date, the USPS trailer has never again been observed or found.

What happened to those ballots, and why were completed ballots being transported to from Long Island to Central Pennsylvania in the first place?

The sheer number of anomalies Morgan experienced in the space of just 24 hours are difficult, if not impossible to explain independently. The only plausible explanation is a multi-state conspiracy to transport fraudulent ballots across multiple state lines in order to pre-position them for Election Day — very likely in the environs of Philadelphia, where Greg Stenstrom saw “trays of curated, ready to count” ballots that mysteriously appeared to be counted in the middle of the night on November 4.

The evidence these three whistleblowers presented is extensive, and it is compelling. It demands further investigation so that the American people can know for certain whether our election process was compromised. There’s no shortage of evidence, no matter how profusely mainstream media reporters insist otherwise.

https://thenationalpulse.com/p...ffer-election-fraud/

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Originally posted by dewhorse:
Things are looking more and more like a Kurt Schlichter novel;

Rush Limbaugh Says Conservative States Are 'Trending Toward Secession' From U.S.

https://www.newsweek.com/rush-...secession-us-1553767

I certainly don't think Rush says things like this lightly so the comment certainly gets my attention

18 states have now stepped into the fray...are people counting heads so to speak?

I found the comments section of this article very interesting. Posters stated that the Red states are mostly inhabited by uneducated, unskilled mouth breathers whose survival is entirely dependent upon the Blue states.

There's way, Way, WAY too many people in this country who are too stupid to realize just how good they have it. And are working diligently to throw it all away.

$.02 worth.
Boss

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Originally posted by Jimbo Jones:
And its not about money directly, its about power, and they realize money is power so they and their ilk are at the top and pulling the ladder up so no one (esp not a populist like Trump or someone that supports him) can climb up and challenge them.

Something about the 'at the top' analogy made me immediately want to suggest an airstrike on the hill.

Very true sadly. Too many here cannot comprehend how good we have it and none of those mouthbreathers have ever chafed under the yoke of totalitarianism but they are hell bent to lead us all there just the same.

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Originally posted by divil:
Very true sadly. Too many here cannot comprehend how good we have it and none of those mouthbreathers have ever chafed under the yoke of totalitarianism but they are hell bent to lead us all there just the same.

Those idiots have no idea what a totalitarian system is like.

They should talk with the Cubans in Miami who fled Castro or the Germans, Czech, Hungarians and Poles who fled the Soviet system.

Hopefully this is the correct thread for this...........

Giuliani Leaves Hospital After COVID-19 Treatment

Newsmax Link

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Originally posted by GWbiker:

Those idiots have no idea what a totalitarian system is like.

They should talk with the Cubans in Miami who fled Castro or the Germans, Czech, Hungarians and Poles who fled the Soviet system.

Or the Romanian on my ship who escaped Romania when it was controlled by the Communists. Or the guy from Bulgaria who is on our sister ship. They can't believe what this country is willingly doing to itself.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by GWbiker:

Those idiots have no idea what a totalitarian system is like.

They should talk with the Cubans in Miami who fled Castro or the Germans, Czech, Hungarians and Poles who fled the Soviet system.

Or the Romanian on my ship who escaped Romania when it was controlled by the Communists. Or the guy from Bulgaria who is on our sister ship. They can't believe what this country is willingly doing to itself.

Leftism is a furious contagion. It infects all who entertain it regardless of geography.

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Originally posted by Brianp90:
Hopefully this is the correct thread for this...........

Giuliani Leaves Hospital After COVID-19 Treatment

Newsmax Link

Great news.
He needed the break.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
SHAFFER: Here’s The Evidence Of Widespread Election Fraud.

Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer

Thanks for posting.

It is amazing; in a murder trial, eyewitnesses are crucial to a prosecutor's case, same with circumstantial evidence. But in a case of nation election fraud, these are not good enough.

former DNI Grennell:

Nancy Pelosi is purposefully blurring the lines between being informed that China is approaching Members of Congress generally - and being informed of specific situations where China has approached specific Members of Congress with details.

Since 2015, there have been many specific and unique situations where a variety of Members of Congress, Mayors, Governors and others have been targeted - China has been aggressive this year even.

Speaker Pelosi is pretending there was just one warning in 2015.

There is a messy line (that is often politically manipulated) between Defensive briefings for politicians and getting informed that one is being investigated for a specific situation.

We must remove politics from our intelligence agencies.

Sekulow is going through all the details and answering questions on a live stream.