I admire your courage in seeking help. Prayers sent that you find a treatment center.

Silent

Best of luck to you, Bill.

Once again the SigForum community comes together. Best, Bill

In case you need a Plan B, 28 days in Minnesota at Hazelden is highly recommended.

I’ve sent people that I love with all my soul to them.

Praying for you and yours, Bill!

You are taking that very vital first step.....be strong and you can win.

I applaud your recognition, decision, and now determination to conquer this. Our prayers are with you Bill!

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Originally posted by dkjbama:
Bill,

I am just over an hour to your west in Florence. I am a criminal defense attorney here and deal with client's families and rehabs quite often. I also did my own rodeo with the bottle in my teens and 20s.

In Hunstville, I have had good results for clients with Downtown Rescue Mission. https://www.downtownrescuemiss...rg/recovery-programs It is a year long program, but they start from scratch and appear to do it right.

If you want a shorter 28 day program, I can make some recommendations, I just don't quite see the same results out of 28 day program. It takes more than 1 month to unlearn a lifetime of bad coping skills.

If you need to speak privately, you may call my office at our normal area code + sevensixfour - two,two,two,oh. x502. My name is Derek

God Bless

Thank you for your offer to help. Having someone close by certainly is way better than people thousands of miles away.


I would suggest that 28 day programs are just the beginning… And not all are the same.

For example did it take a year for you to get sober? Or your whole life, ODAaT.

YMMV

Best of luck to you sir

A 28 day program is enough if someone really wants it and is willing to follow it up with immediate, thorough, and honest work. The 28 days isn’t to fix you, it’s to give you a chance of actually putting down the bottle for any period of time in a supervised atmosphere where you can medically detox and get some education about the problem. I know people who got out of a 28 day and never needed to go back, getting sober and healthy afterwards, and I know people who have been through one up to fourteen times. It all depends on how honest you’re capable of getting with yourself.

If we’re posting bonafides to qualify our input, I help guys get sober as my primary purpose after family obligations after being in that rodeo for 20 years. People who are court-ordered often get sober, but someone who goes of their own accounting often has a better shot at it. Just my observations.

28 days was the standard because that is what insurance covered. The current standard is 90 days residential. The amount of time is actually rather irrelevant. It is how much the person puts into it.

Best of luck in your journey to sobriety. Nothing worthwhile is easy, it's a lot of work, but the results are well worth the effort.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
28 days was the standard because that is what insurance covered. The current standard is 90 days residential. The amount of time is actually rather irrelevant. It is how much the person puts into it.

When I last checked, insurance wouldn’t cover more than three days. If you hadn’t killed someone or failed a previous rehab, person didn’t qualify for full 28 days.

I won’t go into the details/brain damage of the fight that occurred after that.

Let’s just say that we were self-insured ($2b company) and got an executive decision outside of fucking badbiginsuranceco.

Even though it put the entire contract at risk for 5000 employees. Sometimes you just do the right thing - because it’s the right thing to do.

Messages deleted. Done here with this thread. Bill can contact me through my email if he so chooses. I remember why my post count is so low. Always somebody thinks they know better, question your knowledge or experience, or would rather argue nitpicks.

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Originally posted by dkjbama:
Messages deleted. Done here with this thread. Bill can contact me through my email if he so chooses. I remember why my post count is so low. Always somebody thinks they know better or would rather argue nitpicks.

Ha ha ha …

Anyone slightly disagrees with you counselor and you run away. Jebuus!

There’s a lot of freaking sobriety here brother… How are you doing?

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When I last checked, insurance wouldn’t cover more than three days.

^^^^^^^^^
That is for detox. The sky is the limit for self insured plans. Ceos get the full 90 days covered.

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Originally posted by dkjbama:
Messages deleted. Done here with this thread. Bill can contact me through my email if he so chooses. I remember why my post count is so low. Always somebody thinks they know better, question your knowledge or experience, or would rather argue nitpicks.

Good Lord. Look, we’re all trying to help. If you tell a guy who’s about to check himself into a rehab that you don’t see a lot of success with 28 days programs and suggest he does a year, I feel obligated to respond with my own honest experience that suggest he need not be discouraged so.

Being a defense attorney doesn’t mean you don’t have knowledge or experience in the matter, it does, however, mean you have different experiences. I’ve signed a hell of a lot of attendance slips for the courts. About one in twelve showed any attempts to try to do the work or anything but sit there and race out the door at the first opportunity. I’ve seen higher success rates with people doing it of their own volition. You can’t force someone to be ready to quit, and I’m sure if you want to avoid prison time, a year in rehab works a lot better at both getting sober and staying on this side of the bars. Bill finally gave up and announced he needs help to quit. He now has the one thing he needs to have a chance at this: surrender.

It’s a forum. That means we discuss and debate.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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When I last checked, insurance wouldn’t cover more than three days.

^^^^^^^^^
That is for detox. The sky is the limit for self insured plans. Ceos get the full 90 days covered.

No; that was the in-house treatment program. Not just detox.

Here, this will help you… CIGNA … self-funded is a better phrase.

If that is the case CIGNA sucks. Do they cover drive through bypass surgeries? They will pay for it in other ways. They will pay for the complications of alcoholism such as liver transplants, pancreatitis etc.

Good luck.