Oh, nevermind, I see your revised post.

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Beijing Admits Coronavirus Didn’t Start in Wuhan Food Market – Senator Cotton Tweets Vindication...

The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) now admits to an internal report showing the Coronavirus did not originate from the Huanan food market as they initially stated.

Senator Tom Cotton has previously questioned the origination claim because there is a level-4 biological weapons lab in Wuhan, China, where the Huanan market is located. Tonight Senator Cotton tweets vindication toward his original suspicions:



(Via Global Times) A new study by Chinese researchers indicates the novel coronavirus may have begun human-to-human transmission in late November from a place other than the Huanan seafood market in Wuhan.

The study published on ChinaXiv, a Chinese open repository for scientific researchers, reveals the new coronavirus was introduced to the seafood market from another location, and then spread rapidly from market to market. The findings were the result of analyses of genome-wide data, sources of infection and the route of spread of 93 samples of the novel coronavirus collected from 12 countries across four continents.

The study believes that patient zero transmitted the virus to workers or sellers at the Huanan seafood market. The crowded market facilitated the further transmission of the virus to buyers, which caused a wider spread in early December 2019.

According to the researchers, the new coronavirus experienced two sudden population expansions, including one on January 6, 2020, which was related to the Chinese New Year’s Day holiday.

An earlier expansion occurred on December 8, implying human-to-human transmission may have started in early December or late November, and then accelerated when it reached the Huanan seafood market.

On January 6, the National Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) issued a second-level emergency response, which the researchers said served as a warning against mass public activity and travel.

If the warnings had received wider public attention, the number of cases spreading nationally and globally in mid-to-late January would have been lower, said the researchers. (read more)

https://theconservativetreehou...-tweets-vindication/

Just took this pic at Home Depot

Must be a new thing in Philly. Vertical product placement. Products also appear weightless.

Since you can get the virus through your eyes, a mask is only so useful.

More disturbing, I heard (Glen Beck show and others) that the large intestine has billions of these viruses for weeks after the patient has recovered. Think sewage treatment plants. I think this is how the cruise ship quarantine went south,.

It appears the COVID-19 virus is heading toward a real panicdemic.

Korea is taking extraordinary measures to arrest the spread. Hundreds are ill there.

There are reports of 50 dead in the Shite holy city of Qum in Iran. That's indicative of hundreds if not thousands of cases.

Italy has hundreds of cases in Milan and Venice, up an order of magnitude in a few days. Turkey, Austria, and other EU nations are closing borders.

We've imported it into the US, with the arrival of people who were on the Yokohama plague cruise ship. While its contained here, how long will that last?

Once epicenters appear in Africa and South America, and I am certain they will, it will have spanned the globe.

Tom Cotton: All My Talks with Trump Involve Coronavirus

https://www.breitbart.com/radi...involve-coronavirus/

Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) told Breitbart News that all his conversations with President Donald Trump over the past month have involved the coronavirus, offering his remarks on Breitbart News Sunday in an interview with special guest host Joel Pollak. & [FLASH_VIDEO]

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Holy wall of words, Batman!

Dude - take the time to ensure your post is readable.

Just to pile on...

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quote:

“In fact, probably every conversation I’ve had with him for the last month has involved, at least in part, coronavirus.”

I counted this being repeated 6 times. Geesh! That really is a difficult read.

Jim

A few updates and considerations, from my perspective only but in line with CDC.

- SARS-CoV-2 is a betacoronavirus (RNA), sharing many similarities with SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV.
- One of the non-human reservoirs is very probably bats, and probably the sentinel reservoir.
- It is easily transmissible between humans and very likely the animal reservoir, through fomites (possibly), close-contact aerosol (within a few feet), and possibly other unknown mechanisms.
- Incubation period appears to be similar to MERS-CoV (up to 2 weeks), possibly asymptomatically.
- Symptoms are mainly respiratory, and symptoms may be mild to severe, including death. The exact clinical picture advancing to mortality is not well understood, but appears to be similar to influenza and is worse in individuals with other comorbidities.
- Confirmed infections have likely been underestimated by at least a factor of ten (an assumption), but possibly much more, so actual Case Fatality Rate may be off by orders of magnitude, and varies by location. In the US it is currently zero. In mainland China it is 2-3 percent. With the data that has been presented, which is likely wrong.
- The entire genome has been mapped, but there is currently no vaccine available, although in development.
- Based on the genome, the virus has likely been with us (on earth) in some form all along, perhaps for millennia, and will be here when it has run its current course and returned to the animal reservoir, waiting for the next shared-host opportunity.
- SARS-CoV-2 (producing COVID-19 disease/syndrome) has met - or nearly met - the criteria for a worldwide pandemic, and will likely see a more rapid spread in the coming months. Based on similarities with other lethal CoV organisms, global infections and fatalities in the range of more severe non-pandemic influenza outbreaks (20 million or more infected, 5 million or more severely ill, 1 million or more fatalities in a 12 month "seasonal" period) are possible and even likely, although it could burn out early, or advance to a more severe pandemic stage.

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Originally posted by Shaql:
Holy wall of words, Batman!

Dude - take the time to ensure your post is readable.

I skip right past posts like that.

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Originally posted by bubbatime:


What does matter is the millions that will die if (probably when) this kicks off. And the economic and societal collapses to follow.

Are you for real or having you been watching too many zombie movies?

I'm increasingly seeing advice to stock up to prepare for a pandemic. Not panic but doesn't hurt to prepare. Stock would be stuff that would be used over time anyway, just bought in advance.

Does anyone have a good short list? I have on the list:
Canned food (chili, tomatoes, ?)
Crackers
Pasta
Frozen foods (peas, corn, fruit?, chicken, steak)
Cereal
Dried fruit
Non-refrig fruit juice
Bottled Water (do I really need - water supply will be fine, right?)

TP
Soap (bath, dish, laundry)
Toothpaste, shampoo
Disinfectant (Lysol or such)

Will go shopping later today.

We've been quietly stocking up for the last week. Yesterday I paid for three months of BP meds out of my own pocket in case there is a supply chain interruption instead of waiting for insurance and Walmart to dole them out in a month.

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Originally posted by konata88:
I'm increasingly seeing advice to stock up to prepare for a pandemic. Not panic but doesn't hurt to prepare. Stock would be stuff that would be used over time anyway, just bought in advance.

Does anyone have a good short list? I have on the list:
Canned food (chili, tomatoes, ?)
Crackers
Pasta
Frozen foods (peas, corn, fruit?, chicken, steak)
Cereal
Dried fruit
Non-refrig fruit juice
Bottled Water (do I really need - water supply will be fine, right?)

TP
Soap (bath, dish, laundry)
Toothpaste, shampoo
Disinfectant (Lysol or such)

Will go shopping later today.

Lots of ideas here Link on this forum posting
.

Ah - a whole thread on it. Thx!

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Originally posted by PASig:

quote:

Originally posted by bubbatime:


What does matter is the millions that will die if (probably when) this kicks off. And the economic and societal collapses to follow.

Are you for real or having you been watching too many zombie movies?

There is validity to his statement, even if a little alarmist sounding. If you haven't noticed, the epidemic is having a global effect already.

The stock market is dropping, supply lines are shrinking (just read a story where a large shipment of N95 masks from China has been recalled halfway across the Pacific) and stopping altogether. Someone posted a pic of the mask shelf already empty here in the relatively untouched United States.

Fresh outbreaks with too many fatalities to have had it be the result of anything but an entrenched occurrence that was just now revealed. That means the spread is further along then realized.

Even if the average mortality stays as low as it SEEMS in developed western countries, its still bad at 100X that of seasonal flu. Which globally equates to hundreds of millions.

Early in this thread it was posited that I was really getting worked up over this thing when there were hundreds of reported cases and a handful of deaths. A month later, we are sitting at @80,000 cases with over 2600 deaths. IF everyone (cough cough China) is being honest. Even now I'm not ready to panic, but IF this gets going in western nations at a pace we cannot keep up with, the global economy will get wrecked. This is never a good scenario no matter what the emergency is.

quote:

Originally posted by konata88:
I'm increasingly seeing advice to stock up to prepare for a pandemic. Not panic but doesn't hurt to prepare. Stock would be stuff that would be used over time anyway, just bought in advance.

Does anyone have a good short list? I have on the list:
Canned food (chili, tomatoes, ?)
Crackers
Pasta
Frozen foods (peas, corn, fruit?, chicken, steak)
Cereal
Dried fruit
Non-refrig fruit juice
Bottled Water (do I really need - water supply will be fine, right?)

TP
Soap (bath, dish, laundry)
Toothpaste, shampoo
Disinfectant (Lysol or such)

Will go shopping later today.

Don't forget the beer, blow, dope, and hookers.