Evidently Tylenol is the new TP . I had to go 4 places yesterday to find a bottle. A stressed out pharmacist told me "Yes, they are hoarding Tylenol now!". Regards 18DAI

Iowa golf courses are allowing only Iowa residents on their golf courses. After many Chicago players traveled to Iowa, as their courses are closed up tight. According to local broadcast need.

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Originally posted by 18DAI:
Evidently Tylenol is the new TP .

That's because initial Media reports were that NSAIDs could worsen the disease. The FDA is currently not aware of any scientific evidence of this.

FDA advises patients on use of non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) for COVID-19

It is looking more and more like the virus can go airborne at least for a while. We are seeing as many hospital workers testing positive as the number of patients being cared for. Wouldn’t surprise me if studies a year or two down the road show the virus remains in the air for hours. Hospitals just do not have that many negative pressure rooms.

“LONDON (AP) — British Prime Minister Boris Johnson was in intensive care Tuesday fighting the coronavirus
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The 55-year-old Johnson, the world’s first known head of government to fall ill with the virus, was conscious in a London hospital and needed oxygen overnight but was not on a ventilator, Cabinet minister Michael Gove said Tuesday. Britain’s foreign secretary, Dominic Raab, has been designated to take over with Johnson sidelined by an illness that can be debilitating even for those with access to the world’s best medical care…”

https://apnews.com/6e506c4f105670b8fa8eb5531aadf2c1

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Originally posted by Oz_Shadow:
It is looking more and more like the virus can go airborne at least for a while. We are seeing as many hospital workers testing positive as the number of patients being cared for. Wouldn’t surprise me if studies a year or two down the road show the virus remains in the air for hours. Hospitals just do not have that many negative pressure rooms.

Up to 3 hours with a half-life of 1 hour.

This is why the 6 foot rule is arbitrary nonsense, and the early CDC advice against face masks (now reversed) was foolish.

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Originally posted by Oz_Shadow:
It is looking more and more like the virus can go airborne at least for a while. We are seeing as many hospital workers testing positive as the number of patients being cared for. Wouldn’t surprise me if studies a year or two down the road show the virus remains in the air for hours. Hospitals just do not have that many negative pressure rooms.

I think at least some of the hospital staff infections can be attributed to faulty PPE handling. You try to be perfect at it, but all it takes is one mistake.

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It can be transmitted through the air in the form of droplets. proper PPE protocols are not stringently observed or surface disinfectant practices adhered to, it can easily be spread. True airborne transmissibility hasn’t been shown yet; it it was, the numbers would be a lot higher I think- especially in the susceptible age categories.

You can still research the brand of product outside of Amazon.

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Originally posted by Fenris:
Many here say they will buy American and/or avoid buying from China. But if you shop online, how do you plan to do that?

Amazon and most other online retailers refuse to divulge country of origin in there online offerings.

While I generally do not support government intervention, I think Online retailers should be required to include Country of Origin on all things they sell. Possibly content origin as well.

Never again should Americans be held hostage to the whims of God Damn Communists.

Damn, I miss JAllen.

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Originally posted by 46and2:

The only people holding anyone hostage are themselves and the incessant desire for cheap and cheap(er) shit. Just like drugs. Demand drives the equation, not the other way around.

Consumers have 100% done this to themselves. Walmart fled to China to build slave towns and American consumers flocked to Walmart to support them.

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Originally posted by Fenris:
Many here say they will buy American and/or avoid buying from China. But if you shop online, how do you plan to do that?[/i]

Typically I try to buy from companies that advertise it. And usually if they don't advertise it then you know it's not made in the US.

But sadly, even companies that used to promote "made in America" can't be trusted anymore. I bought a $250 creeper seat from MAC tools and it was made in China. I bought some competition bumper plates from Rogue and they were made in China. I get the position these companies are in, but it would be nice if they found a way to produce everything in this country.

My wife has asthma. For a long time I have had 3 Austin air filters running in my house. The filters include a Hepa filter.

Any air that gets pulled thru the filter should filter droplets.

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Originally posted by AirmanJeff:
Consumers have 100% done this to themselves.

Guilty as charged. In the late 1990s - early 2000s road-tripping about the Gulf, camping here and there, I'd typically buy what I needed rather than bother packing. K-Mart for tee-shirts was a popular destination. At some point I found 3-for-$10 Chinese tee shirts, and said to myself, "Well, if they want to work that cheap, f-them". Little did I realize I was putting American manufacturers out of business.

I've done a 180˚ and look for the label. My 40 pairs of USA Trading Company union-made underwear (I buy black) are seven years old and are holding up wonderfully. https://www.unionlabel.com Turns out they were a great investment. Well-made shoes and belts are an especially good investment.

As far as this thread goes, with China reporting NO deaths, you'd think they are executing anyone who defies isolation orders and gets themselves's infected ...

so-called "essential" businesses such as supermarkets and pharmacies as well as liquor stores are allowed to remain open, but everything else is ordered shuttered. Does the Peking Pox know not to traipse into the Whole Foods Market or hang ten offshore in Santa Monica?

Tucker Carlson nailed it:

... "We've decided that offices are somehow more dangerous than supermarkets, far more dangerous, though no one has bothered to explain how. The result: by some estimates, more 17 million Americans are unemployed right now. That's the highest number in the history of this country. A year from now, we should think about this. How will we feel about all this, about our decisions in the face of this pandemic? Is there a single person who sincerely expects the coronavirus itself will hurt more people in the end than the damage we're causing in our response to it? Probably not. Mass unemployment is almost certain to cause far more harm - including physical harm - to the average family than this disease...

Once again, coronavirus is not the only bad thing that's happening in America right now, horrifying as it is" Carlson concluded. "We should never minimize the danger of this pandemic, or minimize our obligation to respond to it wisely... No thoughtful person wants to reopen baseball stadiums tomorrow or book a cruise to Shanghai, but there has to be a more balanced course than the one we are on now. For most people, going to work cannot be more dangerous than buying produce at Safeway twice a week. And if it is more dangerous, tell us how it's more dangerous, and be specific when you describe that. Otherwise, it's time to start caring about the entire population. Healthy people are suffering badly too."

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
According to who? I have family who is a nurse in Or. Not in her facilities. ??

In fact the nursing staff is unhappy as hours are hard to come by with little for them to do. They are being asked to stay home.

Exactly. And according to local tracking numbers. Census numbers are down. Hospital I'm familiar with runs normally at 100%; now around 65%.

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Originally posted by Oz_Shadow:
It is looking more and more like the virus can go airborne at least for a while. We are seeing as many hospital workers testing positive as the number of patients being cared for. Wouldn’t surprise me if studies a year or two down the road show the virus remains in the air for hours. Hospitals just do not have that many negative pressure rooms.

Up to 3 hours with a half-life of 1 hour.

This is why the 6 foot rule is arbitrary nonsense, and the early CDC advice against face masks (now reversed) was foolish.

I even had nurse friends legit making fun of me early on for buying N95 masks. I respect nurses and it’s my job to work with them on a daily basis, but many are half stupid.

Since we are talking about possible airborne transmission, did anyone else see this article?

I saw it about a week ago, but did not pay much attention to it at the time.

Back in early March, 60 members of a church choir met for a rehearsal. Of those, 45 of them later either tested positive (28 people) or were presumed positive (17 people).

That is a little unnerving.

https://www.latimes.com/world-...virus-choir-outbreak

^^^ Yep. That's why our church services are on the internet. It just makes no sense to gather in groups right now.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
^^^ Yep. That's why our church services are on the internet. It just makes no sense to gather in groups right now.

Yes, but this was back on March 10th. Life was still pretty normal 4 weeks ago, even though it now seems like a year ago.

On Tuesday March 10th, we went out to a family dinner. On Wednesday the 11th, I drove across the state for work to see some clients. On Thursday the 12th, my son had field day at his elementary school. The weekend of the 14th and 15th, my daughter had a travel softball tournament.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
^^^ Yep. That's why our church services are on the internet. It just makes no sense to gather in groups right now.

Yes, but this was back on March 10th. Life was still pretty normal 4 weeks ago, even though it now seems like a year ago.

On Tuesday March 10th, we went out to a family dinner. On Wednesday the 11th, I drove across the state for work to see some clients. On Thursday the 12th, my son had field day at his elementary school. The weekend of the 14th and 15th, my daughter had a travel softball tournament.

Not sure if citizens and/or .gov in FL were slow to react, or just ignoring the obvious, but the discussion throughout the week of 3/9 here in NH was not if, but when everything was gonna' shut down. Teachers at my sons HS were openly discussing the situation with students all week and the school administration announced a three week school closure (thru 4/3) & remote learning program at 4:00 PM on Friday 3/13.