Maybe I'm missing something, or maybe I'm just dense, but why the excessive hate for Israel? They are peace-loving and keep to themselves as far as I can see.

Can somebody explain it to me in a way that simple minds can understand?

Although the forum members will certainly offer wisdom, the AI resources such as grok summarize the millions of pages of info on the centuries -old conflict well.

The conflict began when two sons were born to two mothers who were married to the same man.

The US and Israel have a weird relationship.
(Sometimes, I think it’s because the Us was founded on Protestant morality, and Israel was on Jewish morals, and those are not the same thing.)


It’s not quite an “ally” in the way Turkey is, but it’s a lot closer to Turkey than Poland. (Normally, I’d say the UK but I’m not sure how close we still are to the UK/how much longer we can stay close with the UK - we both have significant demographic changes to process.)

If you mean the “pro-Palestine” stupidity, it’s just the latest act of bought and paid for stupidity.

Jews have been scapegoats for millennia. Whenever somebody needs to blame something on someone...it's an established safe bet to pin it on the Jews.

Now, since there is almost always a kernel of truth to every age old story, maybe at some point they actually did/were doing the shit that they get blamed for.

Maybe, maybe not. I certainly wasn't there.

It comes down to envy in most cases as far as I can tell. Their culture has been one of focusing on excellence for so long, that they just don't fail at much, which is aggravating to many outside observers.

Of course the hatred of Israel and Jews goes back decades, but IMO, the current hatred in today's society is all about identity politics. The new, young leftists in this country equate Palestine/Hamas to American blacks/hispanics plus illegal aliens, the "protective class" of the oppressed, and view Israel as the evil white oppressors, Imperialists.

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Originally posted by bronicabill:
Maybe I'm missing something, or maybe I'm just dense, but why the excessive hate for Israel? They are peace-loving and keep to themselves as far as I can see.

Can somebody explain it to me in a way that simple minds can understand?

Why people hate Israel?

Start with the efforts by the Arab nations to wipe the Jewish people from the face of the Earth. This began long before WWII, but two people who hated the Jewish people met.


Grand Mufti meets Adolph

Then after Israel declared independence in 1948, the Arab nations tired to do just that.

And got their asses handed to them.

Again in 1956 (asses handled again), 1968 (asses handled again), 1972 (asses handled again after desperate defense by a few tankers in the Golan)... shall I continue?

The Soviets hate them because they are Jewish and the USSR armed and supported numerous wars against Israel, simply because GDCs don't believe in God.

Most younger Westerners hate Israel because they are fucking brainwashed by the GDCs in academia.

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Originally posted by 4MUL8R:

The conflict began when two sons were born to two mothers who were married to the same man.

This right here. I don’t think both women were married to Abraham. Only Sarah was. Hagar was never his wife.

Now the people with more knowledge of religion can extrapolate…

I am of the opinion that much of the pro-Islamic/anti-Semetic sentiment in the leftist cohort originated due to the legacy of Malcolm X and the Black Panther Party, Nation of Islam, etc. of the late-60's early 70's. Perhaps this is at least partially because I attained my majority during that era and I remember how moving their arguments against the classic anti-black racism so evident during the preceding years were. So, "why do leftists hate Israel?" it comes down to "liberal guilt" over "slavery."

Yes, I know their position makes no sense, but opinions based on emotion rather than logic rarely do.

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Originally posted by 4MUL8R:

The conflict began when two sons were born to two mothers who were married to the same man.

This right here. I don’t think both women were married to Abraham. Only Sarah was. Hagar was never his wife.

Now the people with more knowledge of religion can extrapolate…

For JudeoChristians, the most important part is the Abrahamic Covenant (i.e. God's covenant with Abraham) and it was threefold:

Land - To your descendants I have given this land, From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates. Gen 15:18. If you look at a map of the middle east this is the description of Israel.

Descendants - Abraham was in his 80s and had zero children, but "And I will make you into a great nation," Gen 12:2a

Blessing - "And I will bless you, And make your name great; And you shall be a blessing;And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed" Gen 12:2b-3

Abraham's first child was Isaac, and Jacob's son was known as Israel. Israel's children formed the 12 tribes of Israel.

After Abraham's wife became infertile, he had another child with her maid. That child is Ishmael and that's where the rift is created between JudeoChristian beliefs and Islamic beliefs. My summary of the divergent beliefs:

Both - Both claim that God tested Abraham and told him to sacrifice his son. JudeoChristians believe the son was Isaac and Islamists believe the son was Ishmael.

JudeoChristian - Ishmael is described to his mother, Hagar, as "Behold, you are pregnant, And you will give birth to a son; And you shall name him Ishmael, Because the Lord has heard your affliction. But he will be a wild donkey of a man; His hand will be against everyone, And everyone’s hand will be against him; And he will live in defiance of all his brothers.” Gen 16:11-12.

JudeoChristian - the Abrahamic covenant continues through Isaac's lineage not Ishmael's lineage

Islam - Abraham was a profit and a messenger. "And who is better in faith than those who ˹fully˺ submit themselves to Allah, do good, and follow the Way of Abraham, the upright? Allah chose Abraham as a close friend." Surah An-Nisa 4:125

Islam - the profit Mohammed comes from Ishmael's lineage

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Sarah was infertile and 76 years old, Abraham was 86, when Hagar became pregnant with Ishmael.

Isaac was born 14 years later. (Abram 100 and Sarah 90)

Both Ishmael (a young man) and Isaac (infant at 8 days) were circumcised at the same time when God commanded all in Abraham's household to be as a sign and a (perpetual) covenant.

Islam came about in the beginning of the 6th century, a long, long time after Abraham, Isaac and Jacob(Israel) and the 12 sons/tribes.

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Islam came about in the beginning of the 6th century, a long, long time after Abraham, Isaac and Jacob(Israel) and the 12 sons/tribes.

Right. And the "prophet" Mohammed was a fraud, IMO. No true prophet would spread the "faith" by the sword (force).

Not the only thing but certainly a factor- it's political because it is assumed to some that the right supports Israel so they (left) have to be against it.

Whatever the reason may be for ‘the hatred for Israel’, I am somewhat taken aback and surprised at the ugly streaks of anti-Semitism that some MAGA folks on Truth Social are now posting (their written words, re-truth-ing what others have written, or circulating anti-Israel / anti-Semitic memes).

These are people that I ‘followed’ because I was in political MAGA / America First alignment with them, but I have since dumped more than a handful of them.

It’s been eye-opening and very disappointing.

It's all the rage with demorrhoids.

When Abraham was 75 years old, God told him he was going to have a son. This was after Sarah had gone through menopause! Years passed and still no son, so Sarah reasoned that if Abraham had a son by Hagar, Sarah's Egyptian slave, the child would be theirs because Hagar was her possession. So, Abraham impregnated Hagar and she bore a son named Ismael. But, 14 years later, God gave Sarah the "son of promise," Isaac.

One day, Sarah caught Ishmael teasing Isaac, and she became incensed. She ordered Abraham to kick Hagar and Ishmael out of their land. Not long after that, the two had run out of food. Hagar took what was left and gave it to Ishmael and cried out that this was the end for both of them. Then, the Angel of the Lord appeared unto Hagar and assured her that she and her son would survive. And, He also shared a little prophecy with her. He said that Ishmael and his descendants would always show their fists to all of the other peoples of the world, and all the other peoples of the world would show their fists towards the Ishmaelites.

(This is synth's paraphrasing of the scriptures from the Old Testament.)

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Originally posted by 4MUL8R:
The conflict began when two sons were born to two mothers who were married to the same man.

Yes. This hate is about 4,000 years old, it is so old that the Arab people don't even know why they hate the Jews.

This is about the descendents of Ishmael attempting to claim the birthright of the descendants of Isaac. It is about the ripple effects of not trusting God at His word and having the patience to wait on the Lord to deliver on His promise in His time.

Muhammed gave this hate a formal religious vehicle in his creation of Islam. Among many verses that show hate and the desire to subjugate, or eliminate, the Jews and the Christians, one of the most telling is Muhammed's retelling of Abraham's journey to sacrifice his son, except that he scratches out Isaac's name and identifies the son as Abraham's "first born" who was Ishmael.


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It’s not the main reason people hate Israel today, but for centuries up until fairly recently the roots of antisemitism could be traced back to Matthew 27:25, which says: “All the people answered, ‘His blood is on us and on our children!’” It wasn’t very long after the Crucifixion that church leaders started blaming Jews for “killing Christ”—as the Jews supposedly admitted and were recorded as saying in that passage. Because Jesus was considered by Christians (albeit not by Jews) to be the prophesied messiah as well as God incarnate, it was a short step to the claim that they had killed their own God. That alleged a terrible crime justifying their persecution.

It’s also very satisfying for mobs to have easily-identified “others” to focus their animosities on for various reasons, including venting their dissatisfactions with their own lives. There are many historical examples of Christians doing that to other Christians when there were no convenient Jews available to target, but if Jews were handy, so much the better. Ironically, Islam recognizes Jews and Christians as being “people of the book” who are supposed to be tolerated to a degree, unlike “polytheists,” e.g., Hindus, or “idolators.” The whole Palestine thing, though, makes it easy to disregard that call for a degree of tolerance.

More modern antisemitism was also based on the claim that Jews control such things as banking systems to the detriment of everyone else; I’ve heard that view expressed more than once even in recent times.

The Jews are hated because they are God’s chosen. Lucifer knows Bible prophecy can’t be fulfilled if the Jews are exterminated. That’s why all through history there have been many, many attempts to do so. The Muslim religion is more than just another false religion. It is a false religion soaked in Jew hatred. In this world people are either used by Lucifer or used by the Lord. Think about it: What has the Jewish people done to deserve repeated attempts at extermination? Nothing.

God is clear in the Bible: once the Jews are back in their land (1948) they will never be removed again. Even though at the last they will be surrounded by the armies of many, many nations.