As a Christian, I take Genesis 12:3 as both an obligation to which God attaches a blessing and as a fulfilled prophecy.

I do not worship the nation of Israel - worship is reserved by me for Him alone. But, by my understanding of the scriptures, I’m to be a blessing to the Jewish people and that includes the nation of Israel. In a very real sense, the modern nation of Israel is a living and breathing miracle that points to the glory of God. No, Israel is not perfect but then neither am I.

The United States, throughout its history, has been greatly blessed by our fellow Jewish citizens.

Naturally, the haters response to Israel generally occupying a special place in America’s foreign policy are variations of: “well, what about when Israel did…..? Did you know that so and so was a Jew?” Or, “We should only use the military to defend the homeland.” By this logic we should never be allies with France because of Algeria, or we should never support England because a past prime minister was very likely a pedophile? At the very least might it actually be in our own self-interest to insure that Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East, remain a powerful military force in the region who can count on us providing thoughtful military support (such as the actions of the current administration) when needed.

Why the hate?

It existed a long time before Islam. Just one example: Josephus tells us that after conquering Jerusalem (70AD), Titus put Arabic contract soldiers as peace keepers in the city. Titus had to send those Arab troops home due to the horrific killings the Arabs were inflicting on the Jews in Jerusalem; Titus was fearful that the rebellion would break out anew. History records hundreds upon hundreds of examples like this one.

It is a spiritual issue.

Silent

I came across something that I didn't know this morning. I learned that Martin Luther was no fan of Judaism and with respect to this conversation, I'm curious whether his beliefs are taught to and shared by many Protestants nowadays.

https://www.laits.utexas.edu/b...inLutherAndJews.html

"They are real liars and bloodhounds who have not only continually perverted and falsified all of Scripture with their mendacious glosses from the beginning until the present day, the sun has never shone on a more bloodthirsty and vengeful people than they are who imagine that they are God's people who have been commissioned and commanded to murder and to slay the Gentiles. "

"We are at fault in not slaying them. Rather we allow them to live freely in our midst despite an their murdering, cursing, blaspheming, lying, and defaming; we protect and shield their synagogues, houses, life, and property In this way we make them lazy and secure and encourage them to fleece us boldly of our money and goods, as well as to mock and deride us, with a view to finally overcoming us, killing us all for such a great sin, and robbing us of all our property (as they daily pray and hope). Now tell me whether they do not have every reason to be the enemies of us accursed Goyim, to curse us and to strive for our final, complete, and eternal ruin!"

More at the link...

Usury?

The Rothschilds?

Karl Marx?

Communism?

Balfour Declaration?

USS Liberty?

The list goes on.

You can Google almost any evil CEO and it almost always comes back a certain way. It's a mathematical impossibility damn near but there it is. Behind every "movement", it always seems to be them. LGBTQI+, BLM, No Kings, etc etc. How many congressmen and senators have dual citizenship? Not with any other country but one...very strange.

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Originally posted by JonDaddy82:

USS Liberty?

The USS Liberty was a spy ship that got a good warning to cut it out.

And then there's your white nationalist conspiracy theory bullshit that put your post over the top.

At least you're out in the open.

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I came across something that I didn't know this morning. I learned that Martin Luther was no fan of Judaism and with respect to this conversation, I'm curious whether his beliefs are taught to and shared by many Protestants nowadays.

Wow... reading more at your link.
I too now wonder how much of that is taught to and shared by many Protestants nowadays.
Anti-semitism does seem to be on the rise around the world.

If anything, most Protestant denominations have a, Scripturally unsupportable, support of Judaism.

People who have to directly deal with the nation of Israel, as a Christian, tend to dislike the government of Israel. Not sure how they feel about Jews, but Israel is a, more or less, very far left state, so it drives any sane person crazy.

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If anything, most Protestant denominations have a, Scripturally unsupportable, support of Judaism.

What do you mean by that?

My (Southern Baptist) church does not promote any condemnation of Jews. Quite the opposite, actually.

The USS Liberty was ordered to be no closer than 100 miles to the Israeli coast. The order was not received until many hours later. In the interim, the ship was attacked.

The fault lies with the United States.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

I came across something that I didn't know this morning. I learned that Martin Luther was no fan of Judaism

I've know this for a long time. Luther came from the era where they fully believed (wrongly) that the Jewish people were to blame for killing Jesus instead of understanding that it HAD to happen that way, that it was the plan all along and was God the Father's will.

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Originally posted by Aglifter:

If anything, most Protestant denominations have a, Scripturally unsupportable, support of Judaism.

I don't understand all these statements you keep making in this thread, at all.

Is THIS not Scripture?

Genesis 12:3

God speaking directly to Abraham:

I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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If anything, most Protestant denominations have a, Scripturally unsupportable, support of Judaism.

What do you mean by that?

They are non-believers. We are called to witness to them, the same as everyone else, if not more so.

There’s seems to be some kind of blind-spot about that, in many modern Protestant churches, even though early Christians were mostly Jewish converts.

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They are non-believers. We are called to witness to them, the same as everyone else, if not more so.

There’s seems to be some kind of blind-spot about that, in many modern Protestant churches, even though early Christians were mostly Jewish converts.

I guess I'm just a terrible evangelist. I'll talk about it, if someone wants to, but mostly I just live and let live.

Christians who think the state of Israel is the Israel of the bible are mistaken and following an 19th century Aberration called dispensationalism.

https://covenantconfessions.co...f-dispensationalism/

As to scriptures, lets see how Jesus Christ is seen in the Talmud.
https://www.sefaria.org/Gittin.57a.3-4?lang=bi

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Originally posted by JonDaddy82:
I'd say start here in your spare time:

https://rumble.com/playlists/blReUQvCRjI

It's listed backwards to make sure you start with Part 1.

Wow. A neo-nazi propaganda flick.

I never realized we had skinheads here.
I had to deal with you assholes in Germany in the late 80s.
Peddle your hate elsewhere.

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I had to deal with you assholes in Germany in the late 80s.
Peddle your hate elsewhere.

Maybe you were focused on the wrong assholes?

Have you seen how well Europe is doing today?

Even Patton said we defeated the wrong enemy.

I'm sure the 60 million Christians killed as a result of communism during that time would agree.

I dont think anyone is defending the Soviets - not entirely sure how they’re germane to the thread - but you do get that the NAZIs slaughtered Christians/Jews/Classical Liberals/pretty much anyone who wouldn’t worship Hitler, right?

Nazi bullshit isn't any better than communist bullshit. I don't want to live in a place where the leadership ascribes to either theory.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:
Nazi bullshit isn't any better than communist bullshit. I don't want to live in a place where the leadership ascribes to either theory.

To quote Joliet Jake “I hate Illinois nazis”

Glad I'm not a Nazi and I'm glad I don't worship any leader other than God. There's just certain patterns that have been established that I can't help but recognize.

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Originally posted by FenderBender:
Christians who think the state of Israel is the Israel of the bible are mistaken...

So, as Jew, you gonna tell me I am not a Jew of the bible?

I'll show you mine if you show me yours.


(not that! I mean your cite...)


And SugarDaddy, you need to study up on the weakness of pattern recognition as foundation for all you perceive as the "one and only truth".

You must be "True to the Truth" anything else is on the spectrum of a lie.