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How much knowledge is needed to get that plane off the ground?


Less than getting it back on the ground.

Getting the engines started it the big obstacle. That done, getting into a position to take off is another, especially at somewhere like SeaTac.

These are two-pilot aircraft for a reason.
 
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Competely unbelievable.... I was at the Pearl Jam concert while all this was going down. My brother was giving me the play by play. I’m thankful that no one else was hurt.



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Kind of surprised with all of the major potential military and civilian targets around Seattle, that the closest military planes are in Portland. They should have a couple on standby at Boeing Field. That guy could have easily flown into the PJ concert before the F15s arrived.
 
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Since he was a mechanic and knew how to start and probably taxi the aircraft combined with it being so unloaded that thing would probably get off the ground easily whether configured correctly or not.


A couple of USAF incidents come to mind of a mechanic deciding to fly:

A C-130 in 1969:
https://www.airforcetimes.com/...-bid-to-return-home/

A F-86 in 1956(the F-86 mechanic did have some flight training......2 hours in a Piper Cub):
https://www.airspacemag.com/mi...-borrow-it-76518363/
 
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I thought his aerobatics were quite good.

The news reported he did a loop prior to the roll; I hope someone has *that* on video as airspeed at the top is problematic.
 
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I was on an inbound flight about to land when this situation occurred. All ground traffic was frozen, and according to the chatter in the terminal they even shut down vehicle traffic outside of the terminal. Planes in flight were set to circle.

The larger thought I had is what could be done with an airplane. There are a handful of Military Bases around the sound that this plane could have crashed.

Go go Operation Noble Eagle.



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I hope there was enough left of this guy to determine what was in his bloodstream that didn't belong there. He sounded almost euphoric on the radio.


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Oh, and, queue Chuck Schumer with new regulations...


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I hope there was enough left of this guy to determine what was in his bloodstream that didn't belong there. He sounded almost euphoric on the radio.
My brother said they've found a shoe, nothing else yet. He works for Alaska, the parent airline of Horizon.



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I thought his aerobatics were quite good.

The news reported he did a loop prior to the roll; I hope someone has *that* on video as airspeed at the top is problematic.
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Kind of surprised with all of the major potential military and civilian targets around Seattle, that the closest military planes are in Portland. They should have a couple on standby at Boeing Field. That guy could have easily flown into the PJ concert before the F15s arrived.


The military assets are not funded or positioned to defend every major city or rock concert from a crazy man with a stolen plane.

The are positioned to enforce the Air Defense Identification Zone (North America)

Simply put, there aren't enough aircraft, pilots, or missiles in the US inventory to defend all the cities, events, rock concerts, or important locations from every possible potential stolen aircraft.
 
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I ignored this post because—even though I’m familiar with many aircraft—the term “Q400” meant nothing to me.
A more descriptive post title would have been helpful.


No kidding. It's the same thing with some and their ridiculous, obscure acronyms. Roll Eyes

Beyond annoying.


Roll Eyes Poor guys...


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My Father was ATC if that is real time that is unreal. I never knew.

Guy way out of his mind. Can we give him that? Why hate?
 
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Kind of surprised with all of the major potential military and civilian targets around Seattle, that the closest military planes are in Portland. They should have a couple on standby at Boeing Field. That guy could have easily flown into the PJ concert before the F15s arrived.


The military assets are not funded or positioned to defend every major city or rock concert from a crazy man with a stolen plane.

The are positioned to enforce the Air Defense Identification Zone (North America)

Simply put, there aren't enough aircraft, pilots, or missiles in the US inventory to defend all the cities, events, rock concerts, or important locations from every possible potential stolen aircraft.


I understand that, but one would think with McChord Air Force base nearby, there might be a plane or two closer than Portland... Boeing Black Box is a very high value target. Of course they can't protect every city and every rock concert.
 
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And for the Real Haters. Thinking of buying a new F-150. Ever hear of it?
 
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He sounded almost euphoric on the radio.


He was doing aerobatics in a stolen commercial turboprop, that would at least get my juices flowing Big Grin



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Since he was a mechanic and knew how to start and probably taxi the aircraft combined with it being so unloaded that thing would probably get off the ground easily whether configured correctly or not.


A couple of USAF incidents come to mind of a mechanic deciding to fly:



There was a Navy Reworks Facility sailor who decided to taxi an A-4 off the base at North Island. I heard that the Marines at the gate even saluted as he went by. Pilots are officers, of course! Once outside the Main Gate indecision overwhelmed adventure and the lark was foiled.




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I understand that, but one would think with McChord Air Force base nearby, there might be a plane or two closer than Portland... Boeing Black Box is a very high value target. Of course they can't protect every city and every rock concert.

I understand the logic, but there simply isn't the requirement or money to protect it all.
And McCord AFB only has transport planes, C-17s, C-130s and some others maybe. To even have 2 aircraft on 24hr alert would basically take a complete squadron to sustain indefinitely.

Far better and efficient for there to be better security controls at the airport level to prevent this kind of thing. I know for some reason airliners are allergic to any sort of locking mechanism to prevent unauthorized start / taxi / takeoff, which I've never understood.

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He sounded almost euphoric on the radio.

He was doing aerobatics in a stolen commercial turboprop, that would at least get my juices flowing Big Grin
Agreed, the adrenaline was flowing and he was living the dream, albeit for a short time.
 
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I understand that, but one would think with McChord Air Force base nearby, there might be a plane or two closer than Portland... Boeing Black Box is a very high value target. Of course they can't protect every city and every rock concert.

I understand the logic, but there simply isn't the requirement or money to protect it all.
And McCord AFB only has transport planes, C-17s, C-130s and some others maybe. To even have 2 aircraft on 24hr alert would basically take a complete squadron to sustain indefinitely.

Far better and efficient for there to be better security controls at the airport level to prevent this kind of thing. I know for some reason airliners are allergic to any sort of locking mechanism to prevent unauthorized start / taxi / takeoff, which I've never understood.

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Originally posted by Andyb:
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Originally posted by Top Gun Supply:
He sounded almost euphoric on the radio.

He was doing aerobatics in a stolen commercial turboprop, that would at least get my juices flowing Big Grin
Agreed, the adrenaline was flowing and he was living the dream, albeit for a short time.


Makes sense. Why can't they require a key or a code to start a plane?
 
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No kidding. It's the same thing with some and their ridiculous, obscure acronyms. Roll Eyes


Thanks Alan. I try to make things simple for others.
 
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