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First, this is just more of the same in today's society. And remember this entire incident occurred over Riviera cutting a guy off in traffic. That said, I think this Riviera guy is lucky he wasn't rendered room temp. Threatening someone, and then swinging a knife at them like this boob did, could (and likely should), have gotten him shot. He's damn lucky to only be under arrest. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | ||
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quarter MOA visionary |
Right or wrong with the "cutoff" > I would not have followed him prompting an escalation. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
I'll disagree with your one point. This entire incident didn't occur because Riviera cut off some guy in traffic. People cut people off all the time in traffic, sometimes intentional and sometimes not. It's difficult to know from one's perspective which is definitively the case most times. No, this entire incident occurred because someone's ego didn't allow him to simply get on with his life, and instead he had to follow the shitty driver escalating the situation. Following people who piss you off in traffic will never lead to anything good. Never. And being armed and purposefully putting yourself in that situation is doubly stupid. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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No, not like Bill Clinton |
Yeah, no following. The guy is a dipshit looking for trouble like that If it got to that, swinging knife dude wouldn't have made it through without a few holes | |||
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Not going to disagree with the assertion the other driver should not have followed Rivera, but you wanna suggest that stopping and exiting your vehicle with a knife to confront the person following you, and then swinging it at that person as noted in the video is a 'good' idea? When testosterone overwhelms brain function and common sense, 'nothing' good follows. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Oriental Redneck |
Yup. Q | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
I made no such suggestion. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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A Grateful American |
If I were looking at this as a jurist. (with only what I know from this video) The issue of following Rivera might not be the smart decision, but at the point that Rivera produced a deadly weapon, had the guy presented his firearm and "stopped the threat", I would vote to acquit. Same thing with Travon Martin and George Zimmerman. The issue of confronting Travon might not be the smart decision, but when Travon was on top of Zimmerman and Smashing Pumpkin, George had the right to defend himself with deadly force to stop the threat. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Well, as long as we're quarterbacking, the guy who did the following looks pretty big and doesn't look like the verbal type in that cut sleeve shirt. If you follow me looking like that, I'm not leaving my truck. And certainly not empty handed. What was the intention of the guy following? BTW, it seems to me that the guy w/ the knife swung because the big guy seemed to start approaching - taking a step forward. The following guy started the offensive by following the knife guy. I'm not making any judgements - the guy driving like an idiot - stupid should hurt. But the guy following - avoid escalations, especially when carrying. Dumb situation all around. One thing - I don't like people following me. That would have ended one way or another, especially if I'm going home or work. "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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Age Quod Agis |
1. Go Florida! Temps up chumps up. 2. Knife boy is an idiot. 3. Biker showed commendable restraint. 4. Knife boy recognized his mistake when he brought a knife to a gunfight, and by backing away, stayed alive. 5. I'm not sure I would have been any where near as cool as Biker. 6. Thank you, Florida Flagler County deputies and sheriff, for getting this right. NY Post Article on Incident
"I vowed to myself to fight against evil more completely and more wholeheartedly than I ever did before. . . . That’s the only way to pay back part of that vast debt, to live up to and try to fulfill that tremendous obligation." Alfred Hornik, Sunday, December 2, 1945 to his family, on his continuing duty to others for surviving WW II. | |||
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I know you didn't which was why I made a point of asking. The other driver isn't totally blameless in escalating this incident, but Rivera is a moron of monumental proportions for doing what he did that got his sorry ass tossed in jail 'and' could have resulted in him being doubled tapped in the chest. These are the type of incidents I try and school my son on how to handle because a large majority of people driving on the roads have simply lost their damns minds and act like idiots. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Thank you Very little |
My take away is that those gun vests they sell at bike events are not as easy to draw from under pressure, he stumbled enough pulling the firearm it looked like knife boy could have made it to him before the gun got out. Besides that, don't follow no matter how pissed off you are, the guy might get out with a gun, or worse, back over your motorcycle with their 5000 pound suv hurting or killing you or your wife or girl friend | |||
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Ignored facts still exist |
This. anyone remember Massad Ayoob's distance vs reaction rule when it comes to knives. A local deputy here told me that anyone with a knife in hand gets shot if they come within 15 feet from a deputy -- no questions asked. That said, don't follow trouble. Just move on with your day and listen to some Pink Floyd to cool down. . | |||
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Drill Here, Drill Now |
Rivera is a dipshit. He got out of the truck, swung a knife at the other driver on camera, and then calls 911. He’s lucky he isn’t in the hospital or morgue. Not enough information given to say whether the motorclist: Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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Fire begets Fire |
Lady in Houston ventilated some aggressive driver yesterday. Stay careful out there folks! "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." ~Robert A. Heinlein | |||
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eh-TEE-oh-clez |
You are in a truck. Guy follows you on a bike. Why would you get out of your truck? | |||
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Banned for showing his ass |
Retired LEO here with nearly four decades on a big city department ... just let it go and do not follow. Not worth it as illustrated in this case. Fortunately nobody was injured or killed ... potential was there. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
We are in complete agreement there. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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is circumspective |
Florida man... My takeaway from this is twofold: Don't do this stupid stuff. Practice your draw. "We're all travelers in this world. From the sweet grass to the packing house. Birth 'til death. We travel between the eternities." | |||
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