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Info Guru |
 “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
^^^ LBJ declared our dependence on .gov in Independence, MO. The "Great Society" began our welfare dependency problem as well. "I'll have them voting Democrat for 200 years!" "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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President Trump should schedule rallies in West Virginia, Alaska and Maine to take the message directly to the people. Maybe after seeing the turnouts and the reception he gets, those Senators might see the light. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
 I think you're on to something there.... Great idea! "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
^^^ Now there's a thought! Turn up the heat! | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Yes indeed. It's time to get out there and sell this idea of repeal and why directly to the people. Kind of like how a cigarette pack in Europe has a picture of a diseased lung on the cover, Trump and the Republicans need to slap a huge turd on Obamacare and really start an all out advertising push about how cancerous this law really is. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| Info Guru |
...And right on cue: Senate 'repeal only' bill would leave 32 million more uninsured, CBO says “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
 And the ignorant will know nothing more than this phony number. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Glorious SPAM! |
From what I understand if the full repeal passes it will not be effective immediately, but rather take effect in two years or so. So basically it will remain in place so NO ONE will lose anything they have right now. No one will lose anything unless there is no replacement ready by the deadline? Am I reading this wrong? | |||
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| Info Guru |
Yes, they are evaluating the bill as presented - every prediction they have ever made has been spectacularly wrong, but that doesn't stop the media from repeating it like it's gospel (whenever it favors their agenda). “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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| Oh stewardess, I speak jive.  |
RE: the CBO estimate of "32 million more uninsured" if it's repealed... Serious question: what IS the correct number (even with a 10% margin of error)? Where does it come from? How (with what degree of confidence) do we know which one is correct? (I've never looked into it.) Whatever the number, and whatever the decision, I definitely believe it's important to know what the actual (or even reasonably close) downstream effects of a repeal would be. | |||
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Brass Pounder |
Indeed. We will be paying for Johnson's Great Society socialist programs and his embroiling the US in the Vietnam War for a very long time to come. He was the worst president of my lifetime, including Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama. | |||
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| Info Guru |
Realistically it's a bunch of partisan eggheads who pull them out of their ass. It's all speculation and guesswork. If you want more technical details here's an article on how they did with Obamacare: Learning From CBO's History Of Incorrect ObamaCare Projections “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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Ammoholic |
It's derived from a magic 8 ball. They shake it and it gives them the numbers. It's amazing how ObamaCare will leave more people uninsured than it ever insured and jack premiums up even more with it's dismantling on top of the damage it did with it's existence. Seems to defy logic to me. As far as downstream effects..... people will die, millions per day, and blood in the streets, lots of it. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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Truer words were never spoken  Rep. Meadows: Either Repeal ObamaCare or voters will replace us: For seven years the Republican Party has promised to repeal ObamaCare. For seven years they campaigned for our votes and our support with that promise. And yet, even though they control Congress and the White House, ObamaCare is still the law of the land. As it now stands, the Senate does not have the votes to rid the nation of the scourge to our health care system known as ObamaCare. or voters will replace us For seven years the Republican Party has promised to repeal ObamaCare. For seven years they campaigned for our votes and our support with that promise. And yet, even though they control Congress and the White House, ObamaCare is still the law of the land. As it now stands, the Senate does not have the votes to rid the nation of the scourge to our health care system known as ObamaCare. The question is why? Are the liberal Republicans who control the Senate liars, backstabbers or just incompetent? “Many conservatives are justifiably frustrated with the obstinance of their more liberal colleagues, but both wings of the Republican Party must continue working toward their longstanding promise of repealing and replacing Obamacare,” Heritage Action said in a statement. Rep. Mark Meadows (R-NC) delivered a stern warning to his fellow Republicans Tuesday on my nationally syndicated talk show. “If we do not repeal the Affordable Care Act after campaigning on it for seven years, the American people will find someone else to represent them – and they should,” Meadows told me. The question is why? http://www.foxnews.com/opinion...will-replace-us.html | |||
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Political Cynic |
all three [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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| Oh stewardess, I speak jive. |
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| Political Cynic |
straight repeal is the way to go [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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Don't Panic |
Yep. And, once Zerocare is gone, I bet dollars to donuts the Dems will come around and want to work to shape the replacement. I'm a little surprised they proposed 2 years' sunset. That gives time for the next Congress to sit. McConnell surely is betting big on 2018.... | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Exactly. They have Zero incentive to do anything but preserve the "signature legislation" of their last President, it possible, but if that is repealed they will want to work to shape the replacement. But that's not necessarily a good thing. They don't want free-market competition, they want to subsidize and protect their client insurance companies from competition. Many Republicans want the same thing. If they don't protect the insurance companies from competition, the lobbyist money stops flowing to the politicians. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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