You have no waiting period if you are trading in a gun to buy a new one, CCW or not in Florida.

One step at a time, we gladly traded open carry to get a full state CCW program governed by the state only, zero local law rules allowed. If not you wouldn't be able to buy a gun in Miami, Orlando, Tampa without a 7 to 10 day wait, and they would be may issue counties.

I have the permit to carry and buy as bubbatime said, probably why we have so many CCW permits issued in Florida.

It's also good to have for reciprocity since some states require it to carry and don't recognize constitutional carry.

Hi Iron-Mike- Not sure of the context behind the link you posted. (if you agree or disagree) I'll bet you disagree.

These people who debate that "training" is necessary and should be gov't enforced are either in it for the money or wrong.

Nearly everyone from 15 years old, in some states, can wield a piece of equipment (which a firearm is) that is capable of causing fatal injuries.

Who typically "trains" people on the use of this equipment? Amateur drivers mom and dad.

We all know and are tired of even posting about the double standards regarding firearms. They are not the number one cause of unnatural deaths.

The right to arms is "not to be infringed on" per the constitution. To me, you can take any gov't mandated training and stick it.

As a Floridian I am not jazzed at all about this bills passage. The Rhino's, particularly the head of the senate, held it hostage for her pet bills. Our great governor was sandbagged. This bill is basically a shoulder shrug.

It is easy and painless to obtain a CCW in FL. You will still need one to avoid the seven (7) day "cooling off" period when making a purchase at a gun store. You still can't open carry or carry anywhere that you couldn't carry at before.

Yay FL is the 26 state to allow concealed carry without a gov't license yet all other restrictions remain. Super whoop-tee-doo.

My point is this is simply getting traction outside the gun community.

I'm not crazy about the new law,and I'll continue to renew my permit.

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Originally posted by Underdog:
Hi Iron-Mike- Not sure of the context behind the link you posted. (if you agree or disagree) I'll bet you disagree.

These people who debate that "training" is necessary and should be gov't enforced are either in it for the money or wrong.

Nearly everyone from 15 years old, in some states, can wield a piece of equipment (which a firearm is) that is capable of causing fatal injuries.

Who typically "trains" people on the use of this equipment? Amateur drivers mom and dad.

We all know and are tired of even posting about the double standards regarding firearms. They are not the number one cause of unnatural deaths.

The right to arms is "not to be infringed on" per the constitution. To me, you can take any gov't mandated training and stick it.

As a Floridian I am not jazzed at all about this bills passage. The Rhino's, particularly the head of the senate, held it hostage for her pet bills. Our great governor was sandbagged. This bill is basically a shoulder shrug.

It is easy and painless to obtain a CCW in FL. You will still need one to avoid the seven (7) day "cooling off" period when making a purchase at a gun store. You still can't open carry or carry anywhere that you couldn't carry at before.

Yay FL is the 26 state to allow concealed carry without a gov't license yet all other restrictions remain. Super whoop-tee-doo.

Meh on the training issue, anti gun people and the press look for anything to beat like a drum against any positive gun bill.


One of the biggest complaints are from the people who made livings out of providing training courses. It's big business, and the classes were full all the time. They stand to lose lots of income from this.

Now you don't need to attend those classes, those classes offered little in the way of actual gun handling safety or operational skills. They were mostly about the do's and don'ts of carry, how to conduct yourself if involved in a self defense shooting, then you fired a few bullets down the range, showed you could load a magazine and that was it.

The reality is, what the folks complain about from loss of training really isn't a loss, there was no "real" training going on in the aspect they think is necessary or happening in order to have a firearm.

And there is no 7 day "cooling off" period in Florida, by law from 2018 it's a 3 day waiting period, not including weekends, or until the background check is completed if that takes longer for some reason, but it's only 3 days

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I taught CCW classes in Florida for about 20 years for a couple of FFLs. One of the main points in the class was making sure the students knew what Florida's law said about when one could lawfully shoot.

I stopped teaching when I got a cancer diagnosis and after it went into remission I decided I hadn't been shot (yet) while teaching and never went back. Don't miss it at all.

This law doesn't seem to affect me much. I will keep my CCW permit just to avoid the three day waiting period in Florida (F.S.390.0655). I am into instant gratification-if I plunk down my money for a gun, I want it now.

And, I have a daughter in Pennsylvania and one in Texas. In Texas I "think" I'd be good to go without a permit, but I gotta have it in PA, though my PA daughter is likely to retire and move to Florida in a year or so (I hope).

So, for me, no big deal.

Bob

I am going to say for the most part, most of the people who already have a permit will re new it, it's not that expensive and it is for seven years.

This will allow people to carry in states that recognize the Florida permit. This also will give people the ability to continue to take a firearm after the 4473 comes back as approved and not have to wait.

There is a good book I read several years ago by John Gutmacher who is a lawyer. There is a lot of good information in the book. There is a section in the book about the benefits of having a permit vs not having a permit(mostly in a car) in certain situations. The book I have was published back in 2016 so some of the things he talks about may have changed.

As far as the requirements to get your permit, there were other thing you could substitute in lu of a CCW class.

When I worked in the firearms industry it was things like a

DD214 (record of military service) and this could be from decades ago. I once talked to a gentleman who was getting his permit using a DD214 from when he served in the the Korean war.
Military orders showing you are active duty.
An approved hunter safety course and this could have been from decades ago.
A letter from a match director stating they see you handling a firearm in a safe manor during a competition.

And once again some of these thing may have changed, I have been out of the firearms industry for several years.


Like I said I think, even tho the number of people getting their permit will slow down I think a lot of people will still be getting their permit.

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Originally posted by ElToro:
I suppose it’s the old cooling off period logic The issued CCW supposes you passed the “extra” background check whatever that is and a bare minimum of some training to get the FL CCW. I think if you have a hunting license or are military you can get a long gun same day. They fooled with the law int he last year or 3

My background usually comes back in 2-10 minutes even on a Saturday. I’ve seen guys milling around the shop for 30-45 minutes before and my LGS states they have seen multi hour waits.

I live minutes from Alabama border and maybe 2 hour or so from the GA border. So I’m good with ccw and constitution carry there and reciprocity wise I’m good with the entire southeast. I really don’t intend to go back west on purpose anytime soon

This law is better than nothing and I’d rather have the AZ law including open carry.

Its my understanding that if you have a CCW license, you already have a firearm. If you wouldn't need to buy a new gun for "hot headed" purposes.

I believe it is like insurance companies and firearm rentals. Wont rent to a single male, will rent to a single male that brings own gun to the range.

Thanks HRK- having a CCW and not ever having to wait I have fortified the never trust a counter guy at a gun-store troupe.

I agree with all you all- it is a big whoopie do.

In FL you can get a ccw without proving firearm competency or ownership of a gun. Show up with your hunters safety cert from any state and not be a felon. In Florida, I believe you can take and pass hunters safety online and never touch a gun or gut an animal.

I would posit that most everyone obtaining a CCW is in fact an existing gun owner however.

My dad used his DD214. He was in the Navy Reserved before the Korean War. He said his entire firearms training consisted of firing three rounds of 30-06 from an M1 Garand over the side of a ship.

The firearms training I received as part of the CWL class I took in Florida, consisted of going out back of the store, aiming at a target on the dumpster, and firing three blanks. If you didn’t sweep the “instructor”, you passed.

I’d have used my hunter’s safety certificate, but that disappeared a long time ago.

As a follow up on why this bill is meaningless- I went online Monday 4-3-23 to renew my FL CCW.

My new CCW arrived, yesterday 4-5-23.

This bill is nothing more than a politician talking point. Just wait and see how many rhinos and our governor brag about it.

My 19 year old daughter still can’t carry at college or anywhere else. She’s sincerley at more risk than me.

Any resctriction(s)is unconstitutional.

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Originally posted by Underdog:
As a follow up on why this bill is meaningless- I went online Monday 4-3-23 to renew my FL CCW.

My new CCW arrived, yesterday 4-5-23.

This bill is nothing more than a politician talking point. Just wait and see how many rhinos and our governor brag about it.

My 19 year old daughter still can’t carry at college or anywhere else. She’s sincerley at more risk than me.

Any resctriction(s)is unconstitutional.

I do not look at this as meaningless, it may be a political talking point but I look at it as a step in the right direction.
Your right in this day and age it is not that difficult to obtain, or renew your permit, the process is a lot easier now than when I first got mine back in 2007.

I moved here from New Jersey back in 1999. I did not even know you could get a carry permit in Florida because New Jersey it was impossible and still is, I thought all states were the same. Heck when I moved here I thought I had to register my hand guns with the state, boy was I surprised when the local law enforcement officer laughed at me and said "no" and "we live in a free state."
So coming from a state that does not allow a person to defend them self outside their home with a firearm was a big step.

I am sure not everyone will be happy with the bill, some think it went to far and some not far enough. I think we are moving in the right direction, one step at a time, we are still better off than a lot of other states.

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Originally posted by Underdog:
As a follow up on why this bill is meaningless- I went online Monday 4-3-23 to renew my FL CCW.

My new CCW arrived, yesterday 4-5-23.

This bill is nothing more than a politician talking point. Just wait and see how many rhinos and our governor brag about it.

My 19 year old daughter still can’t carry at college or anywhere else. She’s sincerley at more risk than me.

Any resctriction(s)is unconstitutional.

Disagree, not from the standpoint that getting a CCW isn't difficult today, however, a benefit is this provides a legal way to conceal carry for those who don't want the government to know they carry, and now they can't be arrested for exercising their constitutional right to defend themselves.

Agree about the college issue, but at least we're chipping away at the laws, one at a time.

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Originally posted by HRK:
You have no waiting period if you are trading in a gun to buy a new one, CCW or not in Florida.

One step at a time,

While not perfection, it makes a lot more sense than Kommiefornia, where one with a License To Carry Concealed (LTC, or CCW in non-Kommiespeak) can legally carry multiple loaded handguns concealed into the LGS to buy whatever firearm, but you still have a 10 day “Cooling Off” period before you can pickup whatever you bought. At least there’s no permit to purchase, though non-LEOs are limited in what they can purchase.

Edited to added the missed word “carry”.

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Originally posted by 71 TRUCK:
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I do not look at this as meaningless, it may be a political talking point but I look at it as a step in the right direction.
Your right in this day and age it is not that difficult to obtain, or renew your permit, the process is a lot easier now than when I first got mine back in 2007.

I moved here from New Jersey back in 1999. I did not even know you could get a carry permit in Florida because New Jersey it was impossible and still is, I thought all states were the same.
So coming from a state that does not allow a person to defend them self outside their home with a firearm was a big step.

Slight thread drift...

Used to be that way in NJ, but thanks to the Bruen decision, it isn't the case any more.
Ordinary citizens in this state are now able to get a CCW permit.

But I'd not expect us to get constitutional carry until 48 or 49 other states have it.

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Originally posted by motor59:

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Originally posted by 71 TRUCK:
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I do not look at this as meaningless, it may be a political talking point but I look at it as a step in the right direction.
Your right in this day and age it is not that difficult to obtain, or renew your permit, the process is a lot easier now than when I first got mine back in 2007.

I moved here from New Jersey back in 1999. I did not even know you could get a carry permit in Florida because New Jersey it was impossible and still is, I thought all states were the same.
So coming from a state that does not allow a person to defend them self outside their home with a firearm was a big step.

Slight thread drift...

Used to be that way in NJ, but thanks to the Bruen decision, it isn't the case any more.
Ordinary citizens in this state are now able to get a CCW permit.

But I'd not expect us to get constitutional carry until 48 or 49 other states have it.

Good evening I see you are from exit 7 I was also from exit 7,(if that was the turnpike) all tho in Monmouth County.

Is New Jersey now issuing permits on a regular basis? I have some friends back there and they have not told me if they have obtained their permits yet.

Slowly but surely, kicking and squealing, NJ is recognizing that they can't ignore the Constitution without consequences.

Permits are taking a while, but they are going thru.

Here is a good reference to the process, from the applicants perspective:

https://www.njgunforums.com/fo...gun-laws-discussion/

I've signed several dozen reference statements for friends, and at least 12 of them report that they have their carry permits in hand.


As far as the exit - sorry, its a different highway. My location refers to the old SNL Joe Piscopo joke.

Congratulations Nebraska, #27 as of 4/19/23.

Well I guess 90 days after the Gov signs it.

But Congratulations none the less!!

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
And at least in Utah, CCW permit holders can carry in a school and on school grounds where those utilizing Constitutional carry cannot.

That's a good start. But I have a question, if you know the answer: Isn't the law against carrying in a school and school grounds a federal law and what was the discussion / justification for state law to supersede that?