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Absolutely, you're not pulling into any port without a pilot, particularly in a vessel of that size, you absolutely need someone with local knowledge of the channels, terminals/piers and tugs. | |||
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If they suffered a engineering plant malfunction they could have had all the Baltimore pilots onboard and it wouldn't matter. Now tugs on each side or at least nearby, that would make a difference. I agree with 92fstech, opening the waterway is the priority. You can get vehicles around without I-695 albeit with massive delays and backup. | |||
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It's my understanding that it WAS a local crew that was piloting when the accident took place. | |||
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I was talking with a former Navy diver, now commercial diver, I know. His take is the harbor is closed a minimum of six months. Why? It will take three months to mobilize the people and machines necessary to clear the harbor. The machines are the long pole - finding a large floating crane or two on short notice for a long contract isn't easy. Then another three months to sufficiently clear just the channel to allow large vessel navigation. Rebuilding is at least five, more like ten, years and will run into billions. Then there is the inevitable litigation. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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The tugs are there to pull and orient the ship to/from the terminal, this ship was already clear of her maneuvers and was making steam into the channel, tugs would've helped but, at this point they had already been cast-off.
There's another bridge at Annapolis where they'd need navigation assistance I would assume pilots are necessary. Are pilots needed to navigate the ENTIRE Chesapeake or, only between anchorages and terminals? | |||
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Quite the pessimist. It will be a priority of the Federal Government and people will be impresssed as it will be done quickly. America has the resources and knowledge. It is not going out for bids. | |||
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The ship turned amazingly fast, I have not seen a container ship turn like that before. A single screw vessel would have a slight tendency to turn in one direction, but nothing like the video shows. It is possible that the autopilot system malfunctioned, and caused the boat to turn sharply. Other possibility is sabotage. -c1steve | |||
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I can see it taking months to clear out the wreckage of the bridge, but I simply don't see how it could take 6 months to clear "A" channel for navigation. __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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Well...they may have to hit up Zelenskyy for THOSE funds. The Biden Administration's coffers are probably pretty empty. But they'll find a way to print the money... "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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It'd be a surprise if autopilot was engaged, when transiting a channel and port area its all about pilot, master, helm and navigator/GPS Other possibilities.... - Helm threw the rudder in an effort to keep the bow pointed in the channel - Wind - There was enough torque in the shaft to effect that movement while the ship drifted Well find out in the investigation... | |||
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They dropped one of their anchors as discussed in the video I posted on the previous page. Certifiable member of the gun toting, septuagenarian, bucket list workin', crazed retiree, bald is beautiful club! USN (RET), COTEP #192 | |||
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Per an earlier post in this thread, there were two pilots on board. הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
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Thanks for the insight. | |||
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Regarding emergency steering, there are hand hydraulic pumps built into the system which would be used before any kind of block and tackle rigs. However, it's a very slow process as you can imagine. SIGforum: For all your needs! Imagine our influence if every gun owner in America was an NRA member! Click the box>>>  | |||
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Reports are coming out that because a mayday was sounded the traffic was in the process of being reduced onto the bridge. I am engaging in conjecture but I would not think that that would have provided time to realize that there were also work crews on the bridge and to get word to them for them to evacuate. Perhaps once this is repaired they will extend the tug-escort protocols for this harbor (?) _________________________ NRA Endowment Member _________________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis | |||
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Ship cited for previous propulsion deficiency before Francis Scott Key Bridge crash, crashed in 2016 https://nypost.com/2024/03/26/...ort-authorities-say/ The container ship that apparently lost power and then smashed into Baltimore’s Francis Scott Key Bridge was cited last year for a “deficiency” with its propulsion. The M/V Dali also crashed while leaving the Port of Antwerp in 2016. Across 27 inspections conducted since the Dali was built in 2015, two “deficiencies” were flagged, according to records from the Electronic Quality Shipping Information System (Equasis) viewed by CNN. Chilean authorities gave the Dali a “deficiency” for “propulsion and auxiliary machinery — gauges, thermometers, etc,” in June 2023, according to Equasis records. More at link _________________________ "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." Mark Twain | |||
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