Word is now they decided to NOT let the flight and data recorders go to the USA for analysis. If true, I think it is, what does that tell you?


One would think it’s best to know the true cause of the accident.

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Originally posted by sourdough44:
Word is now they decided to NOT let the flight and data recorders go to the USA for analysis. If true, I think it is, what does that tell you?


One would think it’s best to know the true cause of the accident.

If the plane lost power, no data on the recorders? going to be a while, they will find the cause, just speculation at this point.

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Originally posted by sourdough44:
Word is now they decided to NOT let the flight and data recorders go to the USA for analysis. If true, I think it is, what does that tell you?
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Link? Who requested that they be sent to the US?

https://www.reuters.com/world/...-reports-2025-06-24/


https://www.deccanherald.com/b...-consequence-3597806

CYA mode.

Another strange tidbit, Air India cancels all flights to the USA?


https://www.mensjournal.com/tr...nited-states-flights

I don't want any of their planes over here. Better that they crash over there.

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Originally posted by sourdough44:
Another strange tidbit, Air India cancels all flights to the USA?


https://www.mensjournal.com/tr...nited-states-flights

And Europe and Canada and apparently only the East Coast, not the entire USA.

From your linked article:

“Amid the developing situation in the Middle East, Air India has ceased all operations to the region as well as to and from the East Coast of North America and Europe with immediate effect, until further notice," the airline said at the time. Air India revealed the India-bound flights from North America - New York City and Toronto - were being diverted back to their respective origins while those from India were diverted back to the country or re-routed away from closed air space.“

A recent article rather pertinent. At least I’m not the only one.

https://aviationweek.com/air-t...india-probe-progress

Maybe they’re on hold waiting for tech support in Mumbai or they are still going through the first level tech support person’s script. Did you unplug it and plug it back in? Have you checked all the cable connections?…

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Ima go out on a limb here and speculate the reason they are delaying releasing the flight recorder data is that it indicates pilot error. . .

Of course, I could be wrong. It happens from time to time

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Or revealing that evidence of aircraft malfunctions that should have grounded the plane was suppressed.

Seems to be a thing now, don’t like what the investigation starts to find out.

China Eastern 5735 a prime example 3 years later. One is forced to read between the lines.

https://aviationa2z.com/index....a-hiding-the-reason/


I’m not saying the Air India was deliberate, just that it likely wouldn’t put the company in a good light.

The continued silence is a damning scream.

Looking they lost power on the left engine and shutdown the right outside of procedure.
The plane was configured for takeoff.
You NEVER perform a shutdown on takeoff.
You fly the airplane and get to an altitude to follow shutdown procedure.
Air India pilots have a bad track record in simulators.

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
The continued silence is a damning scream.

They’re just making sure they have dots over their Is.

This message has been edited. Last edited by: trapper189, July 06, 2025 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:
Looking they lost power on the left engine and shutdown the right outside of procedure.
The plane was configured for takeoff.
You NEVER perform a shutdown on takeoff.
You fly the airplane and get to an altitude to follow shutdown procedure.
Air India pilots have a bad track record in simulators.

What makes you say that? The plane never yawed or did anything to indicate an engine failure. And again, how do you know the plane was never configured for takeoff? Absolutely nothing has indicated that. You're purely speculating.

One thing about the continued silence is that is a strong indication that there was nothing inherently wrong with the aircraft. Meaning, Boeing is likely off the hook. Otherwise, if there was evidence of that, some type of air worthiness directive would have went out as soon as they knew about. And that certainly never happened.

“DALLAS — The crash of Air India (AI) Flight 171 continues to generate significant questions about aviation safety oversight in India. The Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) has remained notably silent about preliminary findings, raising concerns among industry observers. Under International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) Annex 13 guidelines, preliminary investigation reports must be published within 30 days of any accident.

While the AAIB still has several days to meet this deadline and is under no obligation to report beforehand, the lack of early communication has sparked a degree of unease. With many speculating that the Boeing 787 suffered a loss of thrust soon after rotation, many hold the view that if catastrophic mechanical issues were discovered at this elementary phase, the AAIB should announce these findings immediately. Perhaps the lack of information could potentially discount such an outcome. Still, the silence has led some to question whether the investigative body might be selective in releasing information, especially if it could implicate the airline or India's aviation regulator. …”

[A lengthy article]

https://www.airwaysmag.com/new...s-regulator-scrutiny

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:
Looking they lost power on the left engine and shutdown the right outside of procedure.
The plane was configured for takeoff.
You NEVER perform a shutdown on takeoff.
You fly the airplane and get to an altitude to follow shutdown procedure.
Air India pilots have a bad track record in simulators.

What makes you say that? The plane never yawed or did anything to indicate an engine failure. And again, how do you know the plane was never configured for takeoff? Absolutely nothing has indicated that. You're purely speculating.

One thing about the continued silence is that is a strong indication that there was nothing inherently wrong with the aircraft. Meaning, Boeing is likely off the hook. Otherwise, if there was evidence of that, some type of air worthiness directive would have went out as soon as they knew about. And that certainly never happened.

There's another angle with the engine smoking on takeoff, then the RAT drops.
THe ONLY way for the RAT to drop is two generator failures.

Within the universe of human error causes, shutting down the wrong engine is high on the list. However, I don't see anything really indicating an engine failure. No adverse yaw, no heading change, no rudder deflection, no wing drop, no puff of smoke out of an engine.

It would also go against all the training the pilots ever had. It is likely they both had little training outside of the airline, so they have had consistent procedures drilled into them.

Under stress we revert to our training. The sim is definitely a stressful environment, and quite purposefully so. I would not expect a line pilot to panic at an engine failure and start flipping switches willy-nilly.

Also, were it a stupid error of that kind, there wouldn't seem to be motivation for authorities to be hiding it. All the people responsible for the error are dead. But if it were a serious maintenance problem or some other scenario where others failed, they may be stalling to try to CYA.

All of the data recorders will show the true cause. Unless they're erased or made unreadable.

I watched this guy's take.