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Sounds to me like Trump got funds to build a wall. Am I wrong?
What man is a man that does not make the world better. -Balian of Ibelin Only boring people get bored. - Ruth Burke | |||
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With Trump I'm in the- "I wonder what just happened" league. The Army Corp of Engineers can do it, National Security etc..... Time will tell. ____________________________________________________ The butcher with the sharpest knife has the warmest heart. | |||
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In the bureaus of bureaucracy, "Army" does not equal "Customs and Border Protection". Different Departments (DoD, DHS). So, this particular bit doesn't fund anything for a border wall. Maybe one of the other 2000 pages has some, though? | |||
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| stupid beyond all belief |
Do we wanna get hilldawg, and the corrupt FBI? In the United States, the Office of Inspector General (OIG) is a generic term for the oversight division of a federal or state agency aimed at preventing inefficient or illegal operations within their parent agency. Such offices are attached to many federal executive departments, independent federal agencies, as well as state and local governments. Each office includes an Inspector General (or I.G.) and employees charged with identifying, auditing, and investigating fraud, waste, abuse, embezzlement and mismanagement of any kind within the executive department.
What man is a man that does not make the world better. -Balian of Ibelin Only boring people get bored. - Ruth Burke | |||
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| stupid beyond all belief |
Correct, but if we hire contractors to build it, what better than the Army Corps of Engineers. Then we are only needed to pay for materials. See this 2017 article. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...ll-construction.html What man is a man that does not make the world better. -Balian of Ibelin Only boring people get bored. - Ruth Burke | |||
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The White House released this today. Can somebody translate for me? I don't speak swamp jive. Text of a Letter from the President to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President of the Senate BUDGET & SPENDING Issued on: March 23, 2018 Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President  In accordance with section 7058(d) of division K of the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2018 (H.R. 1625; the “Act”), I hereby designate as an emergency requirement all funding so designated by the Congress in the Act pursuant to section 251(b)(2)(A) of the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985, for the accounts referenced in section 7058(d). The details of this action are set forth in the enclosed memorandum from the Director of the Office of Management and Budget. Sincerely, DONALD J. TRUMP NRA Life Member - "Fear God and Dreadnaught" | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
Maybe this is a backdoor line item veto. More likely, the explanation is found here. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Glorious SPAM! |
^^^ Jesus that's like trying to decipher a Marine Corps Order. It may be innocuous, it may be important and interesting (not unlike an MCO...). Wonder what Trump is up too? | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
From looking at the text, the designation appears to be a "Mother may I" step in order to repurpose funds appropriated for one foreign policy objective to another. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Hmmm, interesting to find out what that's all about. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| stupid beyond all belief |
It appears to me that Trump is using a Bill to used for human trafficking to initiate the blanaced budget and emergency act. IN which, looks to me states that everything is halted if theyre over budget except the military/security. i.e. he gets military spending and everyone else fucks off. At least I hope. I quickly read the summaries.
Balanced budget act https://legcounsel.house.gov/C...1985--(Part%20C).pdf
https://www.congress.gov/bill/...ress/house-bill/1625 Trump always was good at the legalese. Our laws are rediciulous. What man is a man that does not make the world better. -Balian of Ibelin Only boring people get bored. - Ruth Burke | |||
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Only the strong survive |
Trump administration studies seeking the death penalty for drug dealers President Trump listens to adviser Kellyanne Conway during an opioid summit at the White House on March 1. Conway is leading much of the administration’s work on opioids. by Katie Zezima and Josh Dawsey March 9 The Trump administration is studying new policy that could allow prosecutors to seek the death penalty for drug dealers, according to people with knowledge of the discussions, a sign that the White House wants to make a strong statement in addressing the opioid crisis. President Trump last week suggested executing drug dealers as a way to make a dent in opioid addiction. Opioids killed nearly 64,000 people in 2016, and the crisis is straining local health and emergency services. People familiar with the discussions said that the president’s Domestic Policy Council and the Department of Justice are studying potential policy changes and that a final announcement could come within weeks. The White House has said one approach it might take is to make trafficking large quantities of fentanyl — a powerful synthetic opioid — a capital crime because even small amounts of the drug can be fatal. White House officials also are studying tougher noncapital penalties for large-scale dealers. Trump said last week that the administration would soon roll out unspecified “strong” policies on opioids. White House officials said Trump has privately expressed interest in Singapore’s policy of executing drug dealers. “Some countries have a very tough penalty, the ultimate penalty, and they have much less of a drug problem than we do,” Trump said during an appearance at a White House summit on opioids last week. Trump also has endorsed Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte’s approach to the issue; Duterte’s “drug war” has led to the deaths of thousands of people by extrajudicial police killings. Last year, Trump praised Duterte in a phone call for doing an “unbelievable job on the drug problem,” according to the New York Times. Kellyanne Conway, counselor to the president, is leading much of the work on opioids for the White House. Singaporean representatives have briefed senior White House officials on their country’s drug policies, which include treatment and education, but also the death penalty, and they provided a PowerPoint presentation on that country’s laws. Singapore’s model is more in line with the administration’s goals for drug policy than some other countries, a senior administration official said. “That is seen as the holistic approach that approximates what this White House is trying to do,” a senior administration official said. The Department of Justice declined to comment on the policy discussion. A White House spokesman did not respond to a request for comment Friday. Federal law currently allows for the death penalty to be applied in four types of drug-related cases, according to the Death Penalty Information Center: murder committed during a drug-related drive-by shooting, murder committed with the use of a firearm during a drug trafficking crime, murder related to drug trafficking and the death of a law enforcement officer that relates to drugs. Peter H. Meyers, a professor at the George Washington University School of Law, said he doesn’t agree with the idea of adding more capital crimes for drug dealers, but he said it could be a legal approach: “It very likely would be constitutional if they want to do it.” The administration’s directives come as prosecutors nationwide are cracking down on higher-level drug dealers and law enforcement officials are looking at increased penalties for fentanyl trafficking and dealing. But at the same time, public health officials — including those in the Trump administration — and many in law enforcement are emphasizing treatment rather than punitive measures for low-level users and those addicted to drugs. Attorney General Jeff Sessions has directed federal prosecutors to pursue the most severe penalties for drug offenses. The Department of Justice said last year it will aggressively prosecute traffickers of any fentanyl-related substance. Some argue executing drug dealers could have a raft of unintended consequences, such as deterring people from calling police when they know someone is overdosing. While news of capital charges against a drug dealer would spread quickly and possibly be a deterrent, said Daniel Ciccarone, a professor of family and community medicine at the University of California at San Francisco, it could also drive drug users underground. “It will keep people from any positive interface with police, any positive interface with public health, any interface with doctors,” he said, noting that it could lead to fewer people receiving treatment for their addictions. “People will become afraid and hide. They won’t trust the police, and they won’t trust the doctor either.” Ciccarone said there is also concern that the laws could ensnare low-level drug dealers, many of whom do not know that their products contain lethal amounts of opioids and some of whom are battling addiction. “We’re not talking El Chapo-level people,” he said, referring to Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán, the former leader of the Sinaloa cartel who was extradited to the United States last year. U.S. officials had to assure their Mexican counterparts that Guzmán would not face the death penalty as part of extradition negotiations. “The closer you get to the ground, the closer you get to people who are easy to capture and the more unknown the fentanyl issue is,” Ciccarone said. “I don’t believe that expanding the drug penalty further for other trafficking offenses is going to solve the opioid epidemic,” she said. Regina LaBelle, deputy chief of staff at the Office of National Drug Control Policy in the Obama administration, said that current laws that allow for drug dealers to be charged with a capital offense haven’t had a deterrent effect. https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.2d2bea14bb3c 41 | |||
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Get on the fifty! |
Trump may not be able to build the wall, but the military might be able to as a matter of national defense. This could get interesting with what he does with that bill.  "Pickin' stones and pullin' teats is a hard way to make a living. But, sure as God's got sandals, it beats fightin' dudes with treasure trails." "We've been tricked, we've been backstabbed, and we've been quite possibly, bamboozled." | |||
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Oh dear god let this be true. Is this what’s up with the previous email some were asking what Trump is up to? | |||
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| Glorious SPAM! |
Well, having worked with the Army.... If they need security, the US Marines are proud to supply it. Shoot us a warning order and we can be on the border within 24 hours. With a full MAGTAF. A platoon of tanks, a platoon of AAV, a rifle company (reinforced) and a shit ton of devil pups ready for war. God Dam I love these kids. | |||
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MAGTAF,AAV, WTF? ____________________ | |||
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| Festina Lente |
Seems like that is the plan... Donald J. Trump. 6:33 AM. 25 MAR 18 Because of the $700 & $716 Billion Dollars gotten to rebuild our Military, many jobs are created and our Military is again rich. Building a great Border Wall, with drugs (poison) and enemy combatants pouring into our Country, is all about National Defense. Build WALL through M! NRA Life Member - "Fear God and Dreadnaught" | |||
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And from US News & World Report: ...But the House Armed Services Committee version of the annual Pentagon policy bill included a common-sense provision to make sure the Pentagon isn't tasked with paying for the wall: "Section 1039. Rule of construction regarding use of Department of Defense funding of a border wall. None of the funds authorized to be appropriated by this act or otherwise made available for the fiscal year 2018 for the Department of Defense may be used to plan, develop or construct any barriers, including walls or fences, along the international border of the United States." A careful reading of this language (and that's what we do at Taxpayers for Common Sense) points out this is a fairly broad prohibition. The armed services committees don't ultimately control how federal dollars are spent. The Constitution preserves that role for the appropriations committees. But by saying "or otherwise made available … for the Department of Defense," the House Armed Services Committee was foreclosing the possibility of spending any Pentagon money on this wall in a more comprehensive way. That was the plan. And at Taxpayers for Common Sense, we supported the idea. Enter the House Rules Committee. A little known congressional powerhouse, the Rules Committee is also called the speaker's committee. It's called that because the speaker of the House simultaneously served as the chairman of the committee until 1910 and, as the committee website says, "because it is the mechanism that the speaker uses to maintain control of the House floor." The Pentagon policy bill, HR 2810, needed a "rule" to allow for its consideration on the House floor. The committee meets to consider the hundreds of amendments offered by House members, decide which will be allowed during House debate and determine how long that debate may last. And this is where we're going to step off the cliff into the inner workings of the House, as I promised above. An amendment was offered by Republican Reps. Steven Palazzo and Trent Kelly from Mississippi (which has coastline but no land border) to strike Section 1039. That means Pentagon money could be spent to construct a border wall. In the normal process of things, this amendment would have been accepted by the Rules Committee and then debated and voted on by the full House of Representatives. But nothing about this amendment can be called normal. The Rules Committee took this one amendment and labeled it, "proposed to be adopted." In the arcana of House rules, this means that voting for the rule governing consideration of the bill was also voting for this amendment. This is known as a "self-executing rule." The ranking Democrat on the committee, Rep. Louise Slaughter of New York, offered an amendment to strike the self-executing portion of the rule and was defeated in committee on a party-line vote of 4-8. On the House floor, the vote on the full rule passed. And at the end of a long and exhausting day (and story), that means Pentagon money can be used to construct a border wall. Talk about governing under the cover of darkness. https://www.usnews.com/opinion...d-trumps-border-wall NRA Life Member - "Fear God and Dreadnaught" | |||
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If this happens it will be yet another case of Trump being 3 steps ahead. That Schumer/Pelosi shit eating grin will turn into a mouth full of shit sammie! This has to happen for Trump to rebound from signing this bill. Make it happen Mr. President!! "Fixed fortifications are monuments to mans stupidity" - George S. Patton | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
President Trump hints he may use Defense budget to build the border wall now By Thomas Lifson President Trump tweeted something very suggestive this morning, indicating that he may use the powers of the executive to work around the $1.3 trillion abomination’s limitations on the border wall: Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump Because of the $700 & $716 Billion Dollars gotten to rebuild our Military, many jobs are created and our Military is again rich. Building a great Border Wall, with drugs (poison) and enemy combatants pouring into our Country, is all about National Defense. Build WALL through M! 5:33 AM - Mar 25, 2018 “Build WALL through M” sounds like a plan that John Salisbury outlined in a Twitter thread yesterday. Rather than embed each tweet, I will post their contents below. Readers who want to reference an individual tweet may visit the link above to review the entire thread. 1) Let's talk about what the President can and can't do for this Omnibus Bill. There's a lot of discussion both ways so let's examine how money gets allocated & spent in the US Government: 1. Congress allocates money to be spent. The President spends the allocated money. 2. Once Congress allocates money, their job is oversight of the money being spent. They don't spend the money and have no say HOW it gets spent as long as it's spent legally. That's their job to monitor with oversight. 3. Once the President is given the money with the instructions to spend it, he has a number of choices to make in spending it. There are some rules he has to follow & some of the money is fungible and some isn't. 4. However there are some other factors that are in play here. One of them is that the President has declared a Human Rights Emergency AND has notified Congress that he's invoking the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985. 5. This opens up new options. 6. By making these two declarations President Trump has just communicated that he has the authority to NOT spend any funds he doesn't deem necessary and will return them to the US Treasury. So, funds for Planned Parenthood? He can simply not allocate the funds. 7. Also, these declarations make some funds fungible. For instance if he determines that building a Wall on the Southern Border is a defense against Human Trafficking? He can move funds from anywhere else in the Defense Dept Allocation & simply build the Wall. 8. Congress is powerless to stop cash reallocations on an omnibus bill AND cannot stop the DOD from taking measures under a declared Emergency. 9. Despite their language in the Omnibus Bill about the Border Wall, it is trumped by the State of Emergency that Trump declared. 8) So in summary - This will go to the Courts. Congress will sue the President over the Border Wall. But here's how it will play out - Congress and the President are co-equal branches with different functions. Congress allocates. The President spends. 9) The President has National Security as his Primary Responsibility and it's his job to use whatever funds and declarations he needs to for that job. No Court in this Nation (except corrupt on the take Judges) would EVER rule against a President for exercising that authority. 10) In the end the Supreme Court (yes, that's where it will end) will fully VALIDATE the President's Constitutional Authority & the Wall will be built. /end #MAGA #QAnon #TQFam #8Chan #TheGreatAwakening #TheStormIsHere @POTUS #InternetBillOfRights #FreeTheInternet In a later tweet, Salisbury speculates: This has got Mulvaney's fingerprints all over it... Note that Nick Mulvaney, head of the OMB, outmaneuvered and outsmarted Elizabeth Warren’s cats paws at the Consumer Financial Protection Board, and became simultaneously the director there in order to begin dismantling its burdensome regulations. Taking advantage of Warren's design, he is now immune from Congressional oversight there. There is little doubt that he is highly skilled at using bureaucratic and legal farmeworks. https://www.americanthinker.co...border_wall_now.html "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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