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This is bad for the prosecution. They wanted to use this officer to testify against the others.

With a mistrial he can't because he could incriminate himself since the case is still open. Of course they could give him immunity.
Uhhh, I don't think Porter has expressed any willingness that I've seen to cooperate with the prosecution on any pending cases.

Mistrial or not, the prosecutor is currently 0 and 1, which is likely to be his best average across all these cases.


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Dang, I heard Freddie Gray had a miscarriage.
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court reporter:

"We were not told how the jury was split on any of the counts; court previously told me that information will not be given."
Speaking of miscarriages. Man, these people are shameless.
 
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So riots or no riots tonight....

Whats the Temperature for tonight in Balimore...
 
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No surprise here. Move along.
 
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Originally posted by bigdeal:....I think you had a jury that realized that rendering a 'not guilty' verdict would put their very lives at risk when re-entering the community after the trial. Conversely, rendering a guilty verdict would subject them to national ridicule and condemnation for months. This is exactly why the venue should have been changed for all the trials, and why the judge who refused that venue change is either a damn fool, or complicit in the attempted railroading of these cops.


I don't know if that is accurate as to their thinking, but it does make sense, rendering a proper verdict based on the facts and the law was secondary to self preservation. And the mistrial might become an example for the remaining juries.




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Suck it, Mosby! Woo Hoo!!!!


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Beat up little seagull
On a marble stair
Tryin' to find the ocean
Lookin' everywhere

Hard times in the city
In a hard town by the sea
Ain't nowhere to run to
There ain't nothin' here for free

Hooker on the corner
Waitin' for a train
Drunk lyin' on the sidewalk
Sleepin' in the rain

And they hide their faces
And they hide their eyes
'Cause the city's dyin'
And they don't know why

Oh Baltimore
Man it's hard just to live
Oh, Baltimore
Man, it's hard just to live, just to live

Get my sister Sandy
And my little brother Ray
Buy a big old wagon
To haul us all away

Live out in the country
Where the mountain's high
Never comin' back here
'Til the day I die

Oh, Baltimore
Man, it's hard just to live
Oh, Baltimore
Man, it's hard just to live, just to live



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So riots or no riots tonight....

Whats the Temperature for tonight in Balimore...


Not bad out now. 50's.

Cops are ready this time and no one is telling them to stand around and watch stuff burn.

Leaders in the city might be ok with letting them burn stuff but the governor certainly be isn't.


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Steee-rike one.
 
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The racist fools running that city deserve the incredible mess they've made of this non-issue.
 
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The racist fools running that city deserve the incredible mess they've made of this non-issue.


It will be interesting to see how the Baltimore city leaders respond to this latest matter in the debacle of their own making.




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Previously posted a long time ago, but presented as a reminder:

http://dailycaller.com/2015/07...r-failing-drug-test/

The mother of Baltimore city state’s attorney Marilyn Mosby faced numerous disciplinary actions during her 20-year career as a Boston police officer, though the public wouldn’t know it based on the Freddie Gray case prosecutor’s public statements touting her family’s strong policing history.

The 35-year-old Mosby has used her family’s police ties to rebut critics who say she rushed to judgement and overcharged the six cops involved in Gray’s April 12 arrest.

“Law enforcement is pretty much instilled within my being,” Mosby told MSNBC’s Chris Hayes on May 1, the day she publicly announced charges against the officers.

“I come from five generations of police officers,” she added, pointing out that her mother, father, grandfather and uncles have all served as cops.

But there’s more to the story than Mosby has let on.

Personnel records obtained by The Daily Caller show that Mosby’s mother, Linda Thompson, first violated the Boston police department’s substance abuse policy in 2006. After serving a 45-day rehab stint, Thompson violated the drug code again and voluntarily resigned on Feb. 1, 2008, rather than be fired.

The early retirement allowed Thompson, now 52, to draw a $1,810.69 monthly pension.

Thompson is not the only member of Mosby’s family to have had a rocky policing career.

Mosby’s father was fired from the Boston police department in 1991 following accusations that he and his partner robbed drug dealers at gun point.

Mosby’s uncle was fired from Boston PD in 2001 after testing positive for cocaine.

Her grandfather was a well-respected Boston cop, but he ultimately and unsuccessfully sued the department for racial discrimination in the 1980s.

Mosby has not publicly mentioned any of that during her speeches when running for Baltimore state’s attorney or since taking on the Gray case.


Mosby has also been heavily criticized for using activist rhetoric when publicly discussing the case.

During her May 1 speech she said that she heard protesters’ battle-cry of “no justice, no peace.” Days before that speech — and before the medical examiner’s office had even determined Gray’s cause of death — she told a group of local clergy members that she was going to seek justice for Gray “by any and all means necessary.”

The public got an apparent glimpse of Mosby’s sentiment towards the cops when she “favorited” two controversial tweets on May 6.

One tweet called the officers “thugs” and another asserted that the young prosecutor “INFURIATES a certain kind of white person.”

Mosby denied favoriting the tweets, saying that her account was hacked. However, her personal account showed no other evidence of being infiltrated

Mosby’s public comments reminded one retired Boston detective of something her mom did in the 18th district police house on Oct. 3, 1995.

That was the day a California jury found O.J. Simpson not guilty of murdering his ex-wife, Nicole Simpson, and her friend Ronald Goldman.

The detective, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told TheDC that when the bombshell decision was announced, an ecstatic Linda Thompson jumped up on the desk of another officer and began “doing a victory dance.”

Thompson did not respond to a phone message and several emails sent over the past three weeks seeking comment about the incident.

Thompson’s former colleague gave other insight into her work in the 18th district, which encompasses Boston’s Hyde Park.

“This is a woman we carried because half of the time she was on drugs, she was high,” the former cop told TheDC in a phone interview.

“Everybody knew it, but nobody wanted to say anything,” he added. “She did nothing. All she did was put in the hours.”
 
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CNN:
"Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby was in court when the mistrial was declared and looked visibly upset. Prosecutors, who'd planned to use testimony from Porter in their cases against the other officers, appeared exasperated."

I love it when a plan comes together.


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Was there ever any information on the makeup of the jury? The prosecutors had the perfect judge, had used the media extensively to poison the jury pool and had the perfect pool to select jurors from. Everything was lined up for a slam dunk railroad job. Just curious if they ever released any demographic info on the jury or if the judge polled the jury like they do sometimes in cases like this.



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Was there ever any information on the makeup of the jury?


Three black men, four black women, two white men and three white women make up the jury.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015...er-trial-in-freddie/


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There was a statement by the court that they would not release the results of the individual jurors vote.

I suspect that the jury would have voted approximately 8 for acquittal and 4 for conviction, basing this only on expected biases of jurors.


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There was a statement by the court that they would not release the results of the individual jurors vote.

I suspect that the jury would have voted approximately 8 for acquittal and 4 for conviction, basing this only on expected biases of jurors.


How'd you figure that?


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Jury nullification.

I bet that by tomorrow it will come out the two Caucasian males were the holdouts. Whether or not it is true.





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I suspect that the jury would have voted approximately 8 for acquittal and 4 for conviction, basing this only on expected biases of jurors.

I'm not sure how you get that vote, but I will say this... I was foreman on a jury trying a black man. We had a similarly mixed jury. The folk most intent on burning the defendant at the stake were the black women. They are well aware of who is screwing up their neighborhoods, and they are out for blood. They have watched their neighborhoods be busted up by guys like Freddy Gray their entire lives, and they don't have any sympathy for guys like him. A black cop? They will have plenty of sympathy for him, and won't want to see him railroaded. He is the only thing between their neighborhoods and anarchy, and they know it.



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"Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby was in court when the mistrial was declared and looked visibly upset. Prosecutors, who'd planned to use testimony from Porter in their cases against the other officers, appeared exasperated."
Well, there's only one thing for Marilyn and her posse to do now.

Where's the damn CVS?
 
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I wonder if the judge, defense attorneys, and prosecutors know the break out of the jury vote.

They might not. Perhaps the jury just says they don't have consensus.

It would seem important to know the details. If it was 11 to convict and 1 to acquit, that would push towards retrial.

But if it was reversed, 11 to acquit and 1 to convict, that would lean to dropping it.

These prosecutors are in a spot. They need to press on and try for a conviction. It would be a monumental disaster for them if all 6 trials were hung jury or some acquittals. (although that would be closer to true justice)

family attorney Billy Murphy :

"We've all worked very hard to get it to this process"

and

"This saga is not over...It's just a bump on the road to justice"

Billy Murphy is thought to have received 40% of the 6.4 million award.


Freddie Gray's stepfather:

"We are calm," he said. "You should be calm, too."

Freddie Gray's mother got 5.6 of the 6.4 million.

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