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Reading this past week I don't think there is any way there is a conviction.





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Reading this past week I don't think there is any way there is a conviction.


I am thinking the same thing.....and then I remembered this Baltimore and a kangaroo court so I won't be surprised if there is a conviction (that will eventually be overturned).
 
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Reading this past week I don't think there is any way there is a conviction.


I am thinking the same thing.....and then I remembered this Baltimore and a kangaroo court so I won't be surprised if there is a conviction (that will eventually be overturned).


No conviction on the evidence in this case. But the politics of fear may change the judges mind. Kangaroo court indeed.
 
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We are on alert for whatever comes down from the court on Monday. I feel from hearing local news reports plus a live feed in the court room the officer will get at least one conviction just to say they didn't let him walk. But most of the folks I talk to in Baltimore's inner city feel the family got paid so on with life. It's BLM crew that will cause trouble with the young ones following along. Chris
 
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The prosecutors had gone to the Maryland Court of Appeals to force Officer Porter to testify against all 5 of the other officers. Even though Porter himself will be tried later this year.

The MD court agreed w the prosecutors. Today the MD Court of Appeals released their full report on that decision.

there are 7 judges on the MD Court of Appeals

http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne...-20160520-story.html

Maryland's highest court on Friday issued its full written opinion explaining why it ruled prosecutors can compel Baltimore Police Officer William Porter to testify against fellow officers


The judges' ruling was unanimous , and unequivocally affirmed prosecutors' arguments that -- though never before employed -- state law allowed prosecutors to compel testimony from a defendant against co-defendants after granting limited immunity.

"We hold that the State's compelling Officer Porter to testify in the trials of his fellow officers, under the grant of use and derivative use immunity, does not violate Officer Porter's privilege against compelled self-incrimination under the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution and Article 22 of the Maryland Declaration of Rights," wrote Chief Judge Mary Ellen Barbara in the 51-page opinion.

"If [Porter's] testimony is not relevant or is otherwise inadmissible, Defendants may object on those bases if and when Officer Porter takes the stand," Barbara wrote, adding that the court found that "not one" of Porter's arguments against testifying "has merit.".

one of the defense arguments was that everyone in Baltimore would know what Porter said in the other trials. His right to the 5th in his trial would be destroyed by jury pool poisoning
 
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With the judge running roughshod over the prosecution, I can see no way for a conviction here.




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The prosecutors had gone to the Maryland Court of Appeals to force Officer Porter to testify against all 5 of the other officers. Even though Porter himself will be tried later this year.

The MD court agreed w the prosecutors. Today the MD Court of Appeals released their full report on that decision.

there are 7 judges on the MD Court of Appeals

http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne...-20160520-story.html

Maryland's highest court on Friday issued its full written opinion explaining why it ruled prosecutors can compel Baltimore Police Officer William Porter to testify against fellow officers


The judges' ruling was unanimous , and unequivocally affirmed prosecutors' arguments that -- though never before employed -- state law allowed prosecutors to compel testimony from a defendant against co-defendants after granting limited immunity.

"We hold that the State's compelling Officer Porter to testify in the trials of his fellow officers, under the grant of use and derivative use immunity, does not violate Officer Porter's privilege against compelled self-incrimination under the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution and Article 22 of the Maryland Declaration of Rights," wrote Chief Judge Mary Ellen Barbara in the 51-page opinion.

"If [Porter's] testimony is not relevant or is otherwise inadmissible, Defendants may object on those bases if and when Officer Porter takes the stand," Barbara wrote, adding that the court found that "not one" of Porter's arguments against testifying "has merit.".

one of the defense arguments was that everyone in Baltimore would know what Porter said in the other trials. His right to the 5th in his trial would be destroyed by jury pool poisoning


I think, long term, this is a win-win for our side. Let them force Porter to testify. It is going to backfire in their face.
 
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This might be the start of the summer of love 2016?


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Not guilty all 4 charges

Judge Williams made the just call. Good for him. Sad that it got this far.

Judge Williams said state failed to prove Nero acted unreasonably. Stressed Miller testimony that he alone stopped and cuffed Gray

Judge Williams stressed findings pertained to Nero only, that all he was judging were facts as presented by state against Nero.
 
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Baltimore can suck on it.

No matter what Baltimore gov't says right now, if they're not embarrassed, then they are as stupid as they appear to be.
 
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Kudos to the judge. This could not have been an easy call for him given his background, but given the evidence presented he really had no option. The prosecution literally had nothing to even hint at guilt.



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Happy he got off. Back to work?

Can the prosecution be tried for misconduct. They need to be disbarred, the whole damn bunch!


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Time to get back to the business of running a city government. Stop fucking with the police. Stop pandering to black criminals and malcontents, you disgusting excuses for human beings. Shame on you idiots.


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YES!!!!!

Bite the bitter fruit, Mosby!



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Time to get back to the business of running a city government.


...into the ground, sadly.
 
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no justice no peace. I wonder how many blocks will be allowed to burn for those who want to protest and destroy?
 
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Hope the BPD and MSP have plans for this or more rioting is going to occur.
 
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Would you go back to work there? I'd negotiate a separation that would give me the best chance of getting on a force somewhere else.

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Happy he got off. Back to work?

Can the prosecution be tried for misconduct. They need to be disbarred, the whole damn bunch!
 
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Time to get back to the business of running a city government.


...into the ground, sadly.


Sadly, they will likely be the authors of their own demise. More sadly, they will likely not connect the dots.




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Courtroom for #NeroTrial was packed. One notable absence: Marilyn Mosby


A statement from Baltimore Police on Officer Nero's status:

"Although the criminal case against Officer Edward Nero has come to a close, the internal investigation has not. With that, Officer Nero's status will remain unchanged. He will remain in an administrative capacity while this investigation continues.

The internal investigation is being handled by other police departments. The internal investigation will not be completed until all of the criminal cases against the other five officers are completed because they will likely be witnesses in each case."

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how many resources will they waste on an open and shut case ?
 
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