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It's about damn time!

Now it's time for sanctions and penalties against the corrupt prosecutors who conducted this transparent witch hunt.

Oh yeah, and full back pay and restitution for the officers who were attacked by the city they serve.

And while we are at it, forcing the 'family' to give back the unwarranted 6 million plus 'settlement'.



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Prosecutors have dropped ALL charges against ALL remaining officers....charges against Officers Miller, Porter and White in #FreddieGray case just DROPPED. Other three officers acquitted. NO convictions.


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So will these officers receive any back pay, have their records expunged for being arrested, etc? Will they be allowed to police again in Baltimore? (not that would want to there).

I hope their legal suits take down Mosby and the corrupt Baltimore city government.
 
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Thats a start. Now I want to see everyone who had a hand in trying the officers fired, disbarred, and dishonored for all time.

This includes the medical examiner.




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http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne...-20160727-story.html

Prosecutors dropped all remaining charges against three Baltimore police officers accused in the arrest and death of Freddie Gray in a downtown courtroom on Wednesday morning

The startling move was an apparent acknowledgement of the unlikelihood of a conviction following the acquittals of three other officers on similar and more serious charges by Circuit Judge Barry G. Williams, who was expected to preside over the remaining trials as well.

It also means the office of Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn J. Mosby will secure no convictions in the case after more than a year of dogged fighting, against increasingly heavy odds, to hold someone criminally accountable in Gray's death.

With Wednesday's decision, the gag order is now lifted

In clearing Nero, Goodson and Rice, Williams had repeatedly said that prosecutors presented little or no evidence to support their broader theory in the case – that the officers acted unreasonably, and willfully disregarded their training and general orders, when they decided not to secure Gray in a seat belt, and that the decision directly led to his death.

All of the officers had pleaded not guilty. Their attorneys have said they acted reasonably and professionally, and that Gray's death was the result of a tragic accident.

The decision Wednesday to drop all charges came during what was expected to be a contentious hearing surrounding the prosecution's ability to proceed with Miller's trial without using anything he said on the witness stand in Nero's trial against him.

Miller's defense attorneys had argued that in order to do so, the prosecutors who argued in Nero's trial and the special "clean team" of prosecutors assigned to argue in Miller's trial without knowledge of his previous testimony should have to take the stand.

Catherine Flynn, one of Miller's attorney, also suggested that Schatzow and Deputy State's Attorney Janice Bledsoe, who argued Nero's case, had inappropriately remained involved in Miller's case. Flynn had subpoenaed Schatzow and Bledsoe , as well as Assistant State's Attorneys Lisa Phelps and Sarah David, who were assigned to the clean team.

Having dropped the charges, prosecutors avoid taking the stand.

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The defense really took it to the prosecutors
 
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The officers are only done with criminal charges and is the norm, there are internal policy and procedure investigations that are done. You can be free of criminal liability but still deemed to have run afoul of internal standards.

The criminal is over, the civil against the city resolved some time ago and all that's left is internal.

Criminal charges should never been filed and the mayor and AG are just there to appease thugs.
 
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That statement works only when honorable people are involved,which in this case people of honor are in very short supply. If honorable people were involved, there wouldn't have been a prosecution effort to begin with.


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The officers are only done with criminal charges and is the norm, there are internal policy and procedure investigations that are done. You can be free of criminal liability but still deemed to have run afoul of internal standards.

The criminal is over, the civil against the city resolved some time ago and all that's left is internal.

Criminal charges should never been filed and the mayor and AG are just there to appease thugs.


But this is not really legal jeopardy, correct? They could face suspensions or demotions or firing, but that's it?

I don't know why the 6 cops would hang around for that, now that the legal cases are over my shit would be packed and enroute to another state. I can't imagine they'd have much trouble finding a new job, and I sure as hell wouldn't continue working for that city after being thrown under the bus in the name of placating the thugs and criminals in that city (including those that run the city).
 
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Special kudos to Judge Barry Williams.

I posted early on in this thread that the prosecutors had shopped this case and could not have found a judge with a more favorable background to hear this case. Trial attorney in the civil rights division of the U.S. Department of Justice, 1997-2002. Special litigation counsel for the civil rights division of the U.S. Justice Department, 2002-2005.

He proved that there are still SOME people in the system with integrity who refuse to go along with the mob and actually do their job.

The director of the FBI could learn from this guy.

Kudos Judge Williams.




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Having dropped the charges, prosecutors avoid taking the stand.


And the reality of the situation sets in....
 
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The officers are only done with criminal charges and is the norm, there are internal policy and procedure investigations that are done. You can be free of criminal liability but still deemed to have run afoul of internal standards.

The criminal is over, the civil against the city resolved some time ago and all that's left is internal.

Criminal charges should never been filed and the mayor and AG are just there to appease thugs.


But this is not really legal jeopardy, correct? They could face suspensions or demotions or firing, but that's it?

I don't know why the 6 cops would hang around for that, now that the legal cases are over my shit would be packed and enroute to another state. I can't imagine they'd have much trouble finding a new job, and I sure as hell wouldn't continue working for that city after being thrown under the bus in the name of placating the thugs and criminals in that city (including those that run the city).


"Jeopardy" attaches to the ones who were tried, not to those as to whom the charges were dismissed. Those could be brought again, in theory anyway.

Civil cases against the officers could be pursued, internal affairs can still "investigate" and actually, the DOJ could pursue civil rights charges criminally.




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When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

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The officers are only done with criminal charges and is the norm, there are internal policy and procedure investigations that are done. You can be free of criminal liability but still deemed to have run afoul of internal standards.

The criminal is over, the civil against the city resolved some time ago and all that's left is internal.

Criminal charges should never been filed and the mayor and AG are just there to appease thugs.


But this is not really legal jeopardy, correct? They could face suspensions or demotions or firing, but that's it?

I don't know why the 6 cops would hang around for that, now that the legal cases are over my shit would be packed and enroute to another state. I can't imagine they'd have much trouble finding a new job, and I sure as hell wouldn't continue working for that city after being thrown under the bus in the name of placating the thugs and criminals in that city (including those that run the city).


No jail time comes from internal so it will be letters of reprimand, suspension with or without pay, training or release from the PD. Officers will probably file work comp cases against the city and there will be a settlement.

The cops will never work in the city again and likely don't want to even if cleared internally.
 
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Civil cases against the officers could be pursued, internal affairs can still "investigate" and actually, the DOJ could pursue civil rights charges criminally.


Could they be that stupid to push a bad position? Doubt it. what will come next is the civils cases from those charged in this case. The Prosecutor will be dealing with them for years to come unless her and the city can make a deal.

Work in the city again? I wouldn't want to after the treatment they received. but they will either retire or move on to some better area.


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