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Originally posted by Rev. A. J. Forsyth:


I'm willing to bet that somewhere around 80% of the viewing audience at home and in the stands were drunk, and the majority were males. Paying people to try and destroy each other on the field in a "civilized manner" will never be civilized. It is the modern day Coliseum full of Gladiators and to think otherwise is foolish.

Huh?

The Super Bowl has always been a night for families to get together for parties with good food and a good time together, I'm not sure where you are getting THAT notion from?

80% of the viewing audience was drunk? Way to pull some numbers right out of your ass, dude.

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Originally posted by tatortodd:

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Originally posted by jhe888:

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Originally posted by tatortodd:
You're making a strawman fallacy argument by misrepresenting the other position being about scantily clad women shaking their rears. There is a big difference between that and:
* Shakira doing that weird bondage dance with rope
* J Lo and both her male and female dance troop dancing in leather BDSM outfits
* J Lo and some of her women dancers switching to pole dancing
* crotch grabbing

Get rid of the BDSM overtone, the pole dancing, and crotch grabbing and it would've been the run of the mill half-time show aimed at entertaining the masses.

Nope, none of their show was inconsistent with what J-Lo and Shakira do. You were hoping, foolishly, that they would have presented only a mildly sexy show, instead of a full-on sexy show.

(And that isn't a straw man argument. I get your position, you are against a too-sexy show. We may differ on what is too-sexy, but I didn't ascribe a position to you that you don't hold.)

You're so contrarian that you:

changed your own argument of the half-time show being "entirely consistent with Super Bowl halftime shows from the past 20 years."

strawmanned my argument away from the outline of the portions of the show that weren't the run of the mill half-time show

No, I didn't. I don't think you know how to argue. I mean the actual rules of logic.

Their shows were consistent with past half time shows (remember Levine last year - remember Janet Jackson), AND were entirely consistent with Shakira/Lopez performances. I have not changed those positions, and I have not ascribed to you a position you do not hold.

But, with this post, I won't discuss it with you further.

I cant stand either one

Long as I’ve been here it still amazes me how such a mundane thread can turn into a pissing match.

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Originally posted by Leemur:
Long as I’ve been here it still amazes me how such a mundane thread can turn into a pissing match.

Totally agree. <groan>

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Originally posted by Leemur:
Long as I’ve been here it still amazes me how such a mundane thread can turn into a pissing match.

Bad combination of cabin-fever and Low T

Remember this? Those were the days.

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Originally posted by PASig:
The Super Bowl has always been a night for families to get together for parties with good food and a good time together, ...

Perhaps in your world, but in my world Super Bowl parties have never been about family get-togethers. I've been to plenty of SB parties in the past. I don't go to them, any more, because there are few things in this world about which I could care less than eggball, and I've outgrown the desire to attend such parties.

I'd almost be willing to bet parties such as those I used to attend are Super Bowl's primary target demographic.

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Originally posted by jhe888:
No, I didn't. I don't think you know how to argue. I mean the actual rules of logic.

You would appear to be correct:

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Strawman Fallacy

Description: Substituting a person’s actual position or argument with a distorted, exaggerated, or misrepresented version of the position or the argument.

Ref: Strawman Fallacy

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Originally posted by jhe888:
I have not changed those positions, and I have not ascribed to you a position you do not hold.

Looks that way to me.

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Originally posted by jhe888:
But, with this post, I won't discuss it with you further.

That's all you can do when somebody tries to redefine words or terms to other than what they mean in order to "win" the argument.

Had it happen to me, just a few days ago, when somebody endeavored to redefine "Luddite" to suit his argument, then employed a couple interwoven logical fallacies to justify his redefinition

Anywho... Saw snippets of those performances a littler earlier today. Somebody described them as "A poor strip show." I'd have to agree, because they had everything except actual, you know, stripping. I don't mind. I used to love to go to strip joints. Hell, even once dated a stripper--back in my young and foolish days. But those performances weren't even remotely appropriate for family entertainment, in my view.

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Originally posted by SIG228:

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Originally posted by Leemur:
Long as I’ve been here it still amazes me how such a mundane thread can turn into a pissing match.

Bad combination of cabin-fever and Low T

It’s called outrage shopping.

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Originally posted by JohnnyD:
I'm sorry I can't vote, but I'm disgusted and embarrassed that my grown daughters were in the same room watching the show. I can't get over how slutty that 'Performance" was. I guess that makes me "not woke". Ugh

Just a guess, but I guess your grown daughters have seen women's bodies before, and even seen them dancing and not wearing much.

He doesn't let his grown daughters even go to the beach. God forbid, they have women at the beach wearing skimpy bikini's...….

I think this whole discussion is pretty ridiculous, as there was nothing to see as far as nudity was concerned and nothing that you wouldn't see at a beach or swimming pool across America.

This might wind up being a rather long reply, so feel free to skip it. Due to the fact that I spend most of my time at sea, and have done so for most of my life, I watch very little TV, almost none in the past 10 years or so. I have not watched a Super Bowl in this century.
I watched the game from kick-off to the middle of the 3rd quarter. I don't think of myself as a prude, I'm a decorated combat veteran, and a professional naval and then merchant sailor my entire adult life. Like Roy Batty; "I've seen things..." What really struck me, much more than the partially clothed, high-dollar over the hill strippers featured in the halftime show, was the nature of the commercials. The Poz was very strong. Perhaps if I had been watching TV the past couple of decades, I wouldn't have noticed but aside from a few intentionally "wholesome" commercials is was an endless parade of deviancy; anti-white racism, promotion of homo and trans-sexuality, feminazis, anti-male, anti-heterosexual, anti-traditional values, anti-family... I suppose you are getting the picture. I found it completely shocking. When I get home from this cruise, I'll be taking the two TV's in my house to the dump. I have 4 and 8 year old daughters, they are currently allowed to watch 30 and 60 minutes of supervised computer or TV per day, respectively. That will stop. Honestly, the whole thing made me want to go join the Amish. If it didn't strike those of you in your 50's and 60's that way, it's because the changes have been creeping up on you, incrementally.

"Do not forget, these people want you dead, broke, your children raped and brainwashed, and they think it's funny."

The entertainers are hired by the NFL, and follow the line that the NFL dictates. The NFL decides who they're trying to reach and how they're going to reach them. While they can't control the game action (I assume), they control absolutely everything else. So don't blame the performers, they did EXACTLY what they were supposed to do.

If didn't like what you saw, it's because they don't care what your think.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
My first stab at this was pure humor. This is the real opinion.

If you are buying tickets to a J-Lo or Shakira concert, you anticipate and expect this type of show. It is the specific demographic they chose to entertain, and who chooses to attend.

The Superbowl is different, it is pitched as good entertainment for all ages to grab the widest viewership possible. With that in mind, entertainment should follow that line. If you hire provacative entertainment, they need to tone it down. I didn't ask then to perform, and was in a restaurant that had 2 dozen large TVs on every wall. The only way to not watch would have been to close my eyes or leave the building.

"Don't watch" is not acceptable when your intent is to provide a good event and half time show for ALL viewers. I saw parents covering kids eyes, and leaving shortly after.

In my opinion.... Bad idea for a Superbowl half time show.

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Originally posted by CaptainMike:Perhaps if I had been watching TV the past couple of decades, I wouldn't have noticed but aside from a few intentionally "wholesome" commercials is was an endless parade of deviancy; anti-white racism, promotion of homo and trans-sexuality, feminazis, anti-male, anti-heterosexual, anti-traditional values, anti-family... I suppose you are getting the picture. I found it completely shocking. When I get home from this cruise, I'll be taking the two TV's in my house to the dump. I have 4 and 8 year old daughters, they are currently allowed to watch 30 and 60 minutes of supervised computer or TV per day, respectively. That will stop. Honestly, the whole thing made me want to go join the Amish.

This year's round of commercials I thought was pretty tame compared to the last three years, which were much more aggressive and in your face regarding political/social commentary. There was a few that plugged or, insinuated their morality positions but, most largely steered clear of any messaging.

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:
I think this whole discussion is pretty ridiculous, as there was nothing to see as far as nudity was concerned and nothing that you wouldn't see at a beach or swimming pool across America.

Those must be some beaches and pools. I've never seen women gyrate, pole dance, and twerk like that at any beach or pool to which I've gone.

we need to go back to 'Up With People'

that will get some of the Fogeys watching again :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxK3qTsj_eE



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Originally posted by Sig209:
we need to go back to 'Up With People'

that will get some of the Fogeys watching again :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxK3qTsj_eE



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Look 8 or 9 posts above......

jhe888, I owe you an apology. I lost my temper at something that was happening outside Sigforum and I then I got petty, personal and illogical with our interaction.

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Originally posted by jhe888:
But, with this post, I won't discuss it with you further.

Thank you for de-escalating.

Once again, I apologize.

At least it didn't involve - much - human sacrifice. Maybe next year! I did admire SigMonkey's goat though....

I am super pissed.

The quarters I was throwing scratched my TV screen.