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Please note that I never said I supported the initial proposal as written, only my personal position and perspective. I hadn't even read it yet. I expect that there will be differing proposals, discussions, and revisions of the wording over time and that it will specify that it only applies to devices that mechanically simulate full auto rate of fire like bump stocks and similar devices, not single pull triggers that simply lower the amount of force required to discharge the firearm or anything else that somehow improves reliability, accuracy, function, aesthetics, etc. I absolutely would not support anything that would restrict common AR upgrades and parts because of the definition and wording being so vague and encompassing that it did. If it turns out that nothing comes of the discussions then so be it. It does make you think though that some people should be thinking more about should I, not just could I, when it comes to making certain products. Then again, ATF did approve it at the time so....


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I "get" there are other ways to bump fire other than a stock. Bump fire away all you want. It's just a goofy way of wasting ammo anyway but if you can do it safely and you enjoy it, knock yourself out. The stock however gives you a distinct advantage in rate of fire and control of the direction of fire that simulates the capability of a full auto rifle.

I "get" that the commonly accepted definition of a full auto weapon is a weapon that fires and cycles continuously when the trigger is held back as long as it has ammunition to fire. But the clear reason it is designed to function that way is because it fires at a higher rate of fire, with a minimal amount of effort, than what is physically possible if you had to physically manipulate the trigger. ATF already regulates full auto weapons. I support the fact they do this. Ergo, I support the regulation of devices that simulate the rate of fire of full auto weapons. Pretty cut and dry. This was my position before the shooting and this is my position now.

I would gladly trade ATF regulating bump stocks and the like for them deregulating suppressors and SBRs. Every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

I "get" that some of you don't ever want anything to be touched or regulated when it comes to firearms because of the slippery slope and chipping away sentiments and point of views, and I generally agree, but not when it comes to full auto or simulated full auto fire due to a mechanical modification. I am NOT for any other restrictions. If God blessed you with a full auto finger, then so be it.


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Semi-autos and the way they normally function are actually a superb argument for us NOT needing any kind of restrictions on unmodified semi-autos, magazine capacity or even the number of firearms we can own or have available at any one time because the limiting factor is your trigger finger and physical fatigue, not to mention you can only really effectively use one at a time. Doesn't matter if you are carrying ten 30 round mags or even 10 Beta-C mags on your person or even having 10,000 rounds in loaded magazines in a hotel room, you simply can not continue to repeatedly pull the trigger for even a minute let alone minutes on end without taking breaks or being more deliberate, much slower, and judicious with your firing when you are firing a semi-auto firearm with your finger. So, in contrast to what the shooter was doing with the bump stocks and having numerous bump stock equipped rifles in the room to be able to just pick up and continue to spray a large and densely populated area with a mechanically enhanced high rate of fire rifle, the number of purely semi-auto firearms would have been irrelevant because of the physical limitations of using them. If you get tired pulling a trigger on the rifle you're holding, having 100 additional semi-auto rifles lined up close by is irrelevant because you won't be able to keep firing them over and over and rotating through them for any additional frequency and rate of fire, unlike using a full auto and mechanically modified rifles.

I'm with the Monkey on this. Not another inch. They already have most of our "cake" as shown in a previous post.
We don't ban things because some evil dirtbag killed people. We didn't ban jets, or fertilizer or knives or rocks (cain and abel ?).

I went to the civic auditorium last night with the family - and was disarmed at the door. Metal detectors and all... But was there anyone there to protect us ? NO. A few guys in black tshirts that said security - but no cops or armed guards. I flung my shit on the table and scowled at them while they scanned me. Asked them were they planning on escorting every family back to the parking garage when the show was over ? BS.

Banning and disarming will NEVER solve anything. NEVER!!!

Tilting at windmills, Dtech. Repeat yourself as much as you like, it doesn't change the content I don't agree with.

We'll see how far this goes:

http://thehill.com/homenews/ho...-ban-gun-bump-stocks

"...or anything similar that is designed to increase the rate of fire but doesn’t convert a semi-automatic rifle into an automatic weapon. ..."


Camel nose, meet tent.

quote:

Originally posted by nojoy:
We'll see how far this goes:

Right into the toilet hopefully.

Here is my prediction, based on years of astute observation of politics:

Bump stocks will not be banned.

The issue is worth more to the Dems as a campaign and fundraising issue than as something to resolve through legislation. The Democrats will insist that the ban legislation includes more than just bump stocks. It will include things that the Dems know that the Republicans will not agree to and won't even schedule for a vote. Then the Dems will refuse to vote for the GOP bill that just bans bump stocks because "the chirren deserve better" or something like that. That way, the Dems don't have to go on the record voting on a bill but they still get to use the issue to attack the evil GOP as being in bed with the NRA and so extreme that they are opposed to banning a device that turns a military style assault weapon into a really really bad military style assault weapon.

^^^^ Like a choreographed dance routine....

quote:

Originally posted by nojoy:
We'll see how far this goes:

[url=http://thehill.com/etc.

From the article: "'We can always be doing more, but this bill is a crucial starting point,' Moulton said.

They will always tell us who they are. And his R buddy had better decide quickly if this is who he wants to be sucking up to.

I have a question. The answer might be someplace in this thread, but if so, I missed it and I would appreciate if somebody pointed it out.

Or, if the answer is not already here, maybe somebody could post it.

My question: Just how does a bump stock work? What does it actually do? Bear in mind that I do not own, nor have ever even fired, a semi-auto rifle such as an AR. My experience is limited to handguns, a pump action shotgun, and bolt action rifles.

quote:

Originally posted by V-Tail:
I have a question. The answer might be someplace in this thread, but if so, I missed it and I would appreciate if somebody pointed it out.

Or, if the answer is not already here, maybe somebody could post it.

My question: Just how does a bump stock work? What does it actually do? Bear in mind that I do not own, nor have ever even fired, a semi-auto rifle such as an AR. My experience is limited to handguns, a pump action shotgun, and bolt action rifles.

You have mail

quote:

Originally posted by 45 Cal:

quote:

Originally posted by V-Tail:
I have a question. The answer might be someplace in this thread, but if so, I missed it and I would appreciate if somebody pointed it out.

Or, if the answer is not already here, maybe somebody could post it.

My question: Just how does a bump stock work? What does it actually do? Bear in mind that I do not own, nor have ever even fired, a semi-auto rifle such as an AR. My experience is limited to handguns, a pump action shotgun, and bolt action rifles.

You have mail

Received. Thank you.

Wow. I didn't know that many Rinos existed.

quote:

Originally posted by nojoy:
Wow. I didn't know that many Rinos existed.

Seriously?

Interesting discussion:




Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dti41WdBVHE

Former ATF analyst says "We made the right decision on the Bumpstock". YouTube video:

Meet One Of The Analysts Who Determined That Bump Stocks Were Legal (HBO)

Very good last quote...

Q: So for you, when you look back at that (decision of allowing bumpstocks), you feel like this was a decision that was made the right way?

A: We made a technical and statutory decision that was correct.

James in Denver

do they make'em for AR 10's, I wonder ?

Yes.