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A Grateful American |
Amen. Dtech, you stated the end result of death and injury were due to the bump stock and I'm calling BS. The end result were the direct result of the man taking things which are legal to do illegal and depraved actions. He also ate food, and drank liquids, likely wiped his ass with toilet paper, had about a hundred pounds of tannerite, a several thousand pound car a ohone and a pen. He could have caused tens of times of deaths had he done things differently. It is not that he did not have motivation, inclination and the wherewithal to do so, he simply chose this method. Stop with the bump fire bullshit being anything relevant to any of the incident. It is only an issue with the leftests, because it becomes a lynch-pin for them. First object that can get a grip on and take away, will be followed to the next. So, to shorten it, the "bump-stock bone is connected to the... ... ... ... ... musket bone", all the ellipses being everything in between. Screw those who seek to infringe. Not a damned inch more, ever. If you want, surrender yer shit to the nearest PD, but leave me and my 2nd the fuck alone. sigmonkey- out. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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| I have not yet begun to procrastinate |
The ONLY mechanical device needed is a semiauto. People bump fire pistols and rifles with NO mechanical devices. If you trust DiFi and Schumer and all the other squishy politicos to stop there, you will have disappointment in your (our) future. Fire at will...I'm done. -------- After the game, the King and the pawn go into the same box. | |||
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| Ethics, antics, and ballistics  |
Regardless of what I believe or anyone else believes one way or the other, does anyone here really believe that given everything that has already been plastered on the TV, the commentary by even legislators on the right and the NRA, and everything on social media and all over the Internet about the bump stocks, that they are actually not going to get regulated in some way when everything is said and done? If you do, I've got a nice piece of swamp land to sell you down here in the Everglades. The best we can be doing at this point in time is shoring up our arguments as to why nothing else need be restricted, and rightly so as no further restrictions are warranted or necessary. -Dtech __________________________ "I've got a life to live, people to love, and a God to serve!" - sigmonkey "Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value." - Albert Einstein "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition" ― Rudyard Kipling | |||
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Frangas non Flectes |
 They aren't scared of our bump stocks. They're scared of our rifles. Any inch in that climb to ban the rifles must be fought for and against by both sides. Have... have you not been around this country much the last... oh, forty years or so?  ______________________________________________ Endeavoring to master the subtle art of the grapefruit spoon. | |||
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| Ethics, antics, and ballistics |
Sigmonkey...I only said the bump stocks contributed to the rate of fire which contributed to the number of casualties. We all know the evil individual is ultimately at fault here. -Dtech __________________________ "I've got a life to live, people to love, and a God to serve!" - sigmonkey "Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value." - Albert Einstein "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition" ― Rudyard Kipling | |||
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| Ethics, antics, and ballistics |
I've posted lengthy posts in the thread explaining genuine thoughts, concerns, opinions, and facts. Please feel free to kindly review those. It is sometimes difficult to carry on a conversation with so many people when some come in in the middle or towards the end without looking at what has already been posted. I will gracefully bow out of this conversation at this time and wish everyone well. -Dtech __________________________ "I've got a life to live, people to love, and a God to serve!" - sigmonkey "Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value." - Albert Einstein "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition" ― Rudyard Kipling | |||
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| Frangas non Flectes |
There's nothing you could have possibly said beyond the number of posts I've read that could convince me of other than you being completely wrong here. ______________________________________________ Endeavoring to master the subtle art of the grapefruit spoon. | |||
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Glorious SPAM! |
RATE OF FIRE! Is meaningless. It means nothing. I said I would not respond anymore but I did. Guys are worried about rate of fire. It means nothing. Sound means nothing. Technically and legally this mad mans firearm was legal. It you want to ban this because of sound, or rate of fire, kiss my ass. It is a LEGAL semiautomatic firearm. You want to arrest me for hooking my finger in a beltloop? Try. You want to label me a felon because my finger moves faster then yours? Come get me. You are no better than the hardcore banners. You disgust me. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
Well, it happens. | |||
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| Glorious SPAM! |
Sometimes dicipline breaks down and I apologize. I just get mad. | |||
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| A Grateful American |
There would have been no "rate of fire" if the dirtbag did not choose to murder people. That is the only fucking thing that matters in the argument. And this will be my response to any and all anti- arguments. Be they from those in the camp of my enemy, or my own. Whether anyone "goes after them or not" is irrelevant to this, you brought this issue up here as if it is no big deal to "lose bump stock or other mechanical devices". But the next thing will be the "autoloading" of the next round after a round is fired, or the making of semi-auto require operating the charging handle after each round, in the manner of a bolt action style rifle. You think that is not a clear and possible path? Think about that, before you engage me in any debates on this topic. I got no room in my life to suffer it, except to make clear I will not move for anyone on it. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
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| Oh stewardess, I speak jive.  |
I understand your position fine. I simply find it wrong, dangerous, and unnecessary, and your point of view (on this) is taken as a direct affront to the Rights of myself and others. Further, I despise Security Theatre and Feel Good Legislation, on top of considering it appalling to even consider sacrificing even more Rights, even one millimeter at a time. Nothing else matters enough to change this. Not even 10 similar tragedies. Why? Not because I'm cold or heartless, but because I don't misplace the blame nor bend over. And I would never willfully concede such a thing, as a matter of principle, anyway. Nothing personal, beyond this topic. Sure, it may be inevitable or simply likely - but not with my support. | |||
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Sig Forum Smart-Ass |
I disucseed the possible banning of these bumpfires stocks with a co-worker. He is gun owner and otherwise like minded about the 2nd amendment as most of us here. What I explained to him is that the Los Vegas shooter broke the LAW when he committed MURDER. No other laws matter and no other laws, whether current or future, would've mattered in the damdest. I further explained that this guy was a pilot and owned several airplanes. If this whack-a-doodle had loaded up his airplane with gas cans full of gasoline and diesel and nosed dived into the crowd many more people would've been killed or injuried. Yet we wouldn't be talking about banning airplanes or gas cans. Why is it that when someone kills people by drinking and driving "we" don't protest the cars but the driver? Dripping water hollows out stone, not through force, but through persistence. -Ovid NRA Life Member NRA Certified Basic Pistol Instructor | |||
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| Member |
Well, killing people with airplanes is exactly what the Taliban did on 9-11, thousands of people, and not once did I see any of the news talk about banning airplanes. Mcvay killed a bunch of people with Fertilizer. It's not the bumpstock, it's the mad man that chose to murder a bunch of innocent people. | |||
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| Member |
How do you figure? A person can easily shoot a placed round every 5 seconds with that many people standing in a crowd, 12 placed rounds per minute, 10 minutes =120 rounds. | |||
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| Savor the limelight |
Following your arguement, Jerry's trigger, a mechanical device, has likely been modified from mil-spec and allows him to pull it faster than a mil-spec trigger and thus increase the rate of fire. How is a bump stock a mechanical device and a belt loop isn't? | |||
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| Fuimus |
I'm content with the right to own firearms. Bump stocks and suppressors don't interest me. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
The Rights of the People are not dependent upon what interests you. | |||
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Fighting the good fight |
Gunbroker just reversed their stance on bump stocks, and lifted the ban. Here's their statement:
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