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Hmmm, when have we heard that one before? | |||
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Don’t know if I have just missed it reported here but I keep seeing reports on fox news about three mysterious plane from China landing in Iran. Been all kinds of speculations about what they may have brought in or possibly taken out of Iran. Anyone seeing anything on these planes from China. Also the flight plan was for them to have gone to another country and not Iran and the route flown was said to be odd. The timing of the planes also seemed to be coordinated with the ayatollahs bold claims last night. | |||
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/chi...lanes-170428323.html ____________________________ Eeewwww, don't touch it! Here, poke at it with this stick. | |||
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Hopefully those aircraft were empty on arrival but will be filled with Iran's leadership and their baggage on the return flight. | |||
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Hanson is a slightly different kind of bullshit monger feeding on the gullible. He either sucks at his alleged main profession as a historian, or consciously bends history to support today's party line for the inconsistent rather than consistent anti-globalists. I. e., the folks who can't or won't see that the only difference between Ukraine and Israel is one of scale, and that swallowing anti-Western propaganda on one still puts them in the same boat as the international anti-American loons, orthodox communists and straight anti-Semites who swallow it on both. I've seen this kind aptly labeled "careless conservatives in search of self-validation", and hope somewhat against hope that the Israeli operation and the reactions by the common adversaries will make some of them finally see the similarity. I first noted Hanson's MO years ago when he was making the case for Brexit by claiming British exceptionalism on the grounds that among other things, the UK supposedly was the only major Allied power in WW II "to have gone to war without having been directly attacked", and most recently when he was holding up Finland in WW II in postive contrast to Ukraine because they allegedly "never invaded original Russian territory". Both immediately recognizable as false by any serious student of WW II history. Maybe if he keeps banging his Churchill drum, one day he'll have a fit of intellectual honesty and contrast the anti-globalist propaganda against Volodymyr Zelenskyy to how Churchill's government also suspendeded elections for the duration of the war against Germany, banned pro-German political groups and imprisoned their leaders, got friendly advice to give up the senseless war after Dunkirk, incessantly begged the US for more weapons prior to Pearl Harbor, visited the White House in military fatigues, got roundly blamed by Nazi propaganda for all victims to the German attacks in Europe, etc. I'm not holding my breath though, there's no money in his target audience for this. | |||
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In this forum, Banshee, Victor Davis Hanson is revered, and there's nothing you can say to change that. | |||
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![]() I guess I'm a "careless conservative in search of self-validation", whatever that means. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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There's utterly no comparison "between Ukraine and Israel". The Ukraine issue is self inflicted, limited and could end today. Israel is fighting an existential threat against religious fanatics who know no bounds. Consider the 1994 Iran-backed Hizballah bombing of the Asociación Mutual Israelita Argentina (AMIA) in Buenos Aires. ____________________________________________________ The butcher with the sharpest knife has the warmest heart. | |||
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Maybe think about reading Hemingway. “Senseless war?!?” You count yourself a member of a small group if you consider the Allied effort against Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan “senseless.” Of course Churchill begged Roosevelt for assistance from the U.S., Germany was marching, unimpeded, across Europe and it would not be wrong to say that Britain alone stood in opposition. Is the decision to suspend elections in the Ukraine “broadly supported across the political spectrum?” Speaking of “intellectual honesty,” it seems that the decision to suspend elections in Britain was not Churchill’s, but a wartime action of Parliament. You may say Wiki is an unreliable source, but then you are free to dispute with unimpeachable sources.
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^^^ And WWII may have never happened had the US not gotten involved in WWI. That's speculation, of course. But what's not speculation is that the US was not an interventionist country before WWI but has been an interventionist country post WWII. Also, our interventionist activity, post WWII, does not have a good track record, IMO. What have we accomplished in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Cuba ... etc. other than weaken and wear ourselves down? Prior to the interview with Ted Cruz, Tucker had a discussion with Steve Bannon. They both make the non-interventionist case. Tucker and Steve Bannon Respond to Israel’s War on Iran https://tuckercarlson.com/tucker-show-steve-bannon "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Defense minister: Taking out Khamenei, ‘the modern Hitler,’ is a goal of the operation https://www.ynetnews.com/article/kib88srss The Russian Foreign Ministry on Thursday urged Israel to immediately halt air attacks on the Bushehr nuclear plant in Iran where Russian specialists work. Bushehr, Iran's only operating nuclear power plant, uses Russian fuel that Russia then takes back when it is spent in order to reduce nuclear proliferation risk. Maria Zakharova, the ministry's spokeswoman, also repeated a Russian warning to the United States not to get involved militarily in the Israel-Iran conflict, saying this would have unpredictable and negative consequences. Defense Minister Israel Katz issued a statement to the media at the site of the direct missile hit in Holon, and for the first time threatened to eliminate Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei. "Preventing the existence of Khamenei, the modern Hitler - one of the goals of the operation," he said. "A dictator like Khamenei, who leads Iran and has inscribed the destruction of Israel on his flag - he cannot continue to exist." Katz added that Khamenei "has great ideological influence, he uses all his resources for the cause, and today we see proof that he is giving orders to shoot at hospitals. We see that he should not be on the agenda." At least 147 casualties from the missile barrage launched by Iran Thursday morning arrived at hospitals across the country, including from impact sites in Ramat Gan and Holon, as well as those who evacuated independently. Some 37 wounded were evacuated to Wolfson Hospital in Holon, 36 to Ichilov in Tel Aviv, 21 to Sheba in Tel Hashomer, 14 to Beilinson in Petah Tikva, 16 to Assaf Harofeh in Beer Yaakov, 13 to Barzilai in Ashkelon, six to Mayanei HaYeshua in Bnei Brak, three to Assuta in Ashdod and one to Schneider in Petah Tikva. Six were classified as being injured seriously. El Al announced the expansion of rescue flight destinations to Israel, with two flights expected to take off from New York and one from Bangkok Thursday night. Read about rescue flights here. The company is preparing to operate rescue flights next week from major destinations where many El Al passengers are, and to which there is "high connectivity" from many destinations - London, Paris, Larnaca, Athens, Rome, New York, Los Angeles and Bangkok. Rocket alert sirens sounded in the Gaza border community of Nahal Oz early afternoon on Thursday. The alarms were later determined to be false. Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Esmail Baghaei attacked the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Rafael Grossi, stating that he "betrayed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and turned the IAEA into a partner in an unjust war and violence by Israel." "Misleading narratives have bad consequences. You have turned the IAEA into a convenient tool for non-NPT member states to deny its members their basic rights," he added. Following the Iranian missile barrage Thursday morning, the Lithuanian embassy in Israel reported that the direct hit in Ramat Gan occurred approximately 200 meters from its location; no damage was caused. The Austrian embassy is located in the same building, as well as the Kenyan embassy. The Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs also reported that minor damage was caused to the country's embassy building in Ramat Gan. "Diplomatic missions, which are protected under international law, must not be harmed," the Kenyan Foreign Ministry stated. "They should be kept away and protected from any conflict." Also following the attack, Israel Police raided a foreign news agency complex through which Al Jazeera was broadcasting, which documented a rocket impact site while exposing its exact location. It was reported that the officers "stopped the illegal broadcasts" in accordance with "the policy of National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir, under the instruction of Police Commissioner Dani Levy and in cooperation with Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi - to protect the safety and security of Israel's citizens." Despite the massive missile attack, The Home Front Command did not change the state of emergency guidelines, which had been relaxed on Wednesday. Read about the relaxed guidelines here. A special state of emergency was declared in the home front throughout the country with the start of the war on Iran a week ago, and it was later extended by government decision until June 30. Defense Minister Israel Katz addressed the barrage of missiles launched by Iran Thursday morning and stated that "the cowardly Iranian dictator sits deep in his fortified bunker and fires deliberately at hospitals and residential buildings in Israel. These are war crimes of the most severe kind - and Khamenei will pay for his crimes." Katz said that he and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "have instructed the IDF to intensify attacks against strategic targets in Iran and government targets in Tehran - to remove threats against the State of Israel and undermine the ayatollahs' regime." Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi said of the missile strike that "Iran will make the attackers regret their big mistake." His deputy, Kazem Gharibabadi, added that "if the U.S. actively intervenes in favor of Israel, Iran will have to use its tools to teach the attackers a lesson - and protect its security and national interests. For our military decision-makers - all options are on the table." The number of people seriously injured in Thursday morning's missile attack has risen to 6. Sheba Medical Center in Tel Hashomer reported that two severely injured individuals from the latest barrage were evacuated to the hospital, and four were evacuated to Wolfson Hospital in Holon. A total of 65 people were injured in the Iranian missile barrage. Some 30 missiles were launched in the morning's missile attack on southern and central Israel. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that "Iran's terror tyrants launched missiles at Soroka Hospital in Beersheba and at civilian populations in central Israel. We will exact the full price from the tyrants in Tehran." The IDF confirmed on Wednesday that it attacked the heavy water nuclear reactor in the area of Arak, including the structure of the reactor's core seal, which is a key component in plutonium production. "The strike targeted the component intended for plutonium production, in order to prevent the reactor from being restored and used for nuclear weapons development," the military said. More at link with a lot of photos, and more information than I can find anywhere else.This message has been edited. Last edited by: wcb6092, _________________________ | |||
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IMHO time to take Fordow out. Let the Israelis soften them up for another week and then go in for the last shot. Talking should be over. Assuming we can do it. Supreme leader will be smoked by his own team. | |||
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Before he was sacked, Col. McCormack was the Levant and Egypt branch chief at the Joint Chiefs of Staff’s J5 planning directorate. Meaning he was the branch chief responsible for advising the Joint Chiefs on regional strategy and policy in the western Middle East area (including Israel). And it wasn't just that one comment. He reportedly had hundreds of posts on Twitter, many of which were anti-Israel. Even more damning, he apparently repeatedly publicly identified himself and his position in the Twitter posts, as well as publicly posting about his job-related movements and activities and discussions with colleagues and foreign partners. Major security violations. Way to piss your career away, soon-to-be-former Colonel... From https://www.jns.org/chief-isra...ublicly-extensively/
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There are reasons to be wary of Israel. I get that. It’s a foreign power, and it will act in its own interests - and has. It has acted against the U.S. in the past, and it may do so in future. But, I don’t get a full-bird saying stuff like he did, publicly. Did he have a stroke? | |||
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In guessing DEI hire with severe TDS. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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We should be wary of undue influence over our foreign policy. I agree with that. But McCormack was in a sensitive position where he should not write about such things on social media. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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