I don't want to come across as being too critical, but a little more precision shooting would have been in order. Apparently 18 rounds of 40mm were fired. I understand the intensity of the situation, but still.

The perp's name is Guillermo Perez, and he's a convicted (recently released) gang member. It doesn't say if he is a citizen, but I am curious. Glad he's toast, either way.



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018...d-at-knifepoint.html

I would say 40mm rounds would be overkill in that situation...

Yikes.

Holy Shit. Looks like the officer on the second cam tagged her. Terrible.

Where was the 40mm?

No bueno

Fuckin assholes!

After watching, that was horrendous.

All I have to compare the video to are similar videos from other countries where only one officer would shoot the perp from behind or the side without harm to the hostage.

Did the cops not see the hostage? Did they think they were going to John Wayne their shots?

Yeah. That's... not ok.

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I would say 40mm rounds would be overkill in that situation...

Yes, I may have misspoke....rather than embellished. I'm sure I read that they were using .40's but I can't remember where I saw that. I looked at a couple different articles to get a better sense of the whole thing. Wouldn't really matter if they were 9's at this point.

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
Where was the 40mm?

What a cluster. Bad training, bad decision making, bad shooting.

I'm very not okay with that performance.

Had any private citizen tried to take that shot, their prison term would be measured in decades.

I hope LAPD is generous with the settlement offer because there is no way they dare let that get to trial. If I were on a jury hearing that case, I would have no qualms with punitive damages in the high seven digits.

The article says the perp was starting to cut the hostage's throat, so I imagine they felt that the only way to save her was to shoot the perp. Not unreasonable....but why would 3 officers open fire with 18 rounds? Don't they teach trigger discipline? I would think that in that situation one cop with the best angle would be the shooter and he would attempt a precision shot to take out the perp. The city is going to be on the losing end of that wrongful death lawsuit.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
All I have to compare the video to are similar videos from other countries where only one officer would shoot the perp from behind or the side without harm to the hostage.

Did the cops not see the hostage? Did they think they were going to John Wayne their shots?

Total mental failure.

just horrible

armchair quarterback blah blah blah I don't acre

that will be a training video of what NOT to do

and show why they should have shot the scumbag SOONER (before he got could take the hostage)

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You’d think that at least one of the officers would have had a rifle.

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Originally posted by rusbro:

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
All I have to compare the video to are similar videos from other countries where only one officer would shoot the perp from behind or the side without harm to the hostage.

Did the cops not see the hostage? Did they think they were going to John Wayne their shots?

Total mental failure.

Hesitation paralysis. They used and kept using less lethal even after it showed it wasn't working, stuck in that loop of trying and keep trying less lethal (a variation of the "Stop or I will say stop again"). There were chances to put bad guy down before he took the hostage but they hesitated. Once he took the hostage and started cutting her throat (you can see the blood flowing form her neck as he cut her), they had to act. Once he was doing that, moving in and making a near contact shot to stop the thug made more sense than doing what they did.

The officer in the first body cam view had the shot (and made it), the others either needed to hold fire or maneuver to a better position.

They need more high stress training. Under stress when bullets fly, it is mighty hard not to join in...