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I hope it all goes well. No shuttle to send folks up to fix it.

Doesn’t matter if the shuttle was still flying, JWST is going out to L2. That’s beyond the Moon. Not much hope of mechanical fixes out there.


Why not put a science station on the back side of the moon. There could be Comcast units orbiting or wired on towers to connect with home base

Comcast can't fix things on Earth. I doubt they can do it on the Moon any better.
 
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Holy cow, it's going to be almost 4 times as far away from Earth as the Moon! Is it going to be in an Earth orbit or solar orbit? And ya, there's no going out there to fix it.
Technically, it would be considered a Solar orbit that is perturbed by the Earth's gravitational pull (in a very special and stable way).

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Time for a government to step aside… They don’t do anything very well anymore.

Not sure they really ever did, but there’s a case to be made that government investment now is worse than ever.

Equity, and social justice directives along with climate change have burdened every single program, project and contract. Ever contract under 8a?


And I’m sorry for those that you that love it, but the space shuttle program was a Flippin joke… Always.





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Shift ample money from elsewhere and triple their funding. Enlarge NASA and the related agencies, it's some of the only good and interesting things our government does or has ever done with our money.

Unfortunately, the NASA of today isn't the same NASA as 50-60 years ago. Lots of engineers and scientists who behave like bureaucrats, unable to make a decision without group consensus. The days of Gene Krantz are long gone. I say slash the NASA budget and distribute it to the private companies who are still willing to be risk takers: SpaceX, Blue Origin, Firefly, Rocket Lab, etc.
 
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Bah.

Build ten new Shuttles...

Go to more planets.

Launch 3x more probes...

Work with the private sector, too, obviously.
 
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Build ten new Shuttles...

Go to more planets.

Launch 3x more probes...

What would 10 new shuttles do for us? Because they aren't going to other planets or even the Moon.

We could have launched more probes, but instead we've spent $10B on JWST...
 
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Until travel is made much faster, exploration of more distant planets will be unfeasible. Even going just to Mars takes at least 5 months, and that only when the 2 planets are at their closest. Going to any more distant planets would take much longer--years in most cases, and to planets around nearby stars, even decades or centuries. There are limits to recycling human waste to sustain life over long periods.

There have been sci-fi stories written about huge spaceships designed to carry large populations between planets, but we are far short of being able to do that at this time.

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Build ten new Shuttles...

Go to more planets.

Launch 3x more probes...

What would 10 new shuttles do for us? Because they aren't going to other planets or even the Moon.

We could have launched more probes, but instead we've spent $10B on JWST...


Just curious why the space shuttle couldn't make it to the moon
 
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the shuttle was a compromise program that ultimately had its requirements set around lofting military payloads

it was never being thought of as anything more than a truck to haul stuff to orbit, and it was incapable of working anywhere outside LEO.

As for deep space....not a chance
 
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Build ten new Shuttles...

Go to more planets.

Launch 3x more probes...

What would 10 new shuttles do for us? Because they aren't going to other planets or even the Moon.

We could have launched more probes, but instead we've spent $10B on JWST...

Just curious why the space shuttle couldn't make it to the moon

Way too heavy to get the needed deltaV. Think back to the Apollo-era capsule and the size of the Saturn V booster in comparison. The capsule was a tiny fraction of the total mass. Compare that to the shuttle, the external fuel tank, and two SRBs. We would need something much larger than a Saturn V to get a space shuttle to the Moon.
 
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Until travel is made much faster, exploration of more distant planets will be unfeasible. Even going just to Mars takes at least 5 months, and that only when the 2 planets are at their closest. Going to any more distant planets would take much longer--years in most cases, and to planets around nearby stars, even decades or centuries. There are limits to recycling human waste to sustain life over long periods.

There have been sci-fi stories written about huge spaceships designed to carry large populations between planets, but we are far short of being able to do that at this time.

flashguy


Those science fiction books about huge spaceships carrying mass migrations of people were a mainstay of my teen age reading.


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Until travel is made much faster, exploration of more distant planets will be unfeasible. Even going just to Mars takes at least 5 months, and that only when the 2 planets are at their closest. Going to any more distant planets would take much longer--years in most cases, and to planets around nearby stars, even decades or centuries. There are limits to recycling human waste to sustain life over long periods.

There have been sci-fi stories written about huge spaceships designed to carry large populations between planets, but we are far short of being able to do that at this time.

flashguy


Those science fiction books about huge spaceships carrying mass migrations of people were a mainstay of my teen age reading.
Me, too. Robert A. Heinlein and Isaac Asimov were my favorites--I've read just about everything they wrote.

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^^^^^^^^
And “Tom Corbett, Space Cadet”. Saturday morning TV, right after Roy Rogers!



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Reminder about the JWST launch. It’s been postponed until Christmas morning with the launch window opening at 7:20a EST.
 
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And “Tom Corbett, Space Cadet”. Saturday morning TV, right after Roy Rogers!


Tom Corbett books (yeah Astro!) along with Tom Swift and Miss Pickerell series were my pre-teen fodder. Big Grin



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Anybody else watching? 15 minutes now…
 
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Looked like a flawless launch through payload separation. The glimpse of the first solar array unfurling and capturing the Sun reflection was pretty neat.
 
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Yeah, that was great, especially the real footage of the last separation and solar array unfolding.
 
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NASA tracker, showing Webb's current location.

https://jwst.nasa.gov/content/...nch/whereIsWebb.html
 
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So the complex Sunshield deployment in three days is the critical step toward getting an operational platform I about thirty days?



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