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Joie de vivre |
I read where the dad blamed the Obama administration, who knows, but it is sad to loose a son no matter what. | |||
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^^^This. Now we all know why the NK's sent him back when they did. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Shaman |
NK basically executed him. It's time to cut all ties with that backwards nation.  He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. | |||
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| Avoiding slam fires  |
I do not think we have ties with them but a few dozen well places nukes would be in order in my opinion. | |||
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Don't Panic |
Sounds like it took a day for his body to figure out it wasn't still being tortured on a routine basis. RIP Mr. Warmbier. They clearly realize we (and the rest of the UN, technically) are under a state of war with them, with only the 'pause button' of an armistice in place. At the 10,000 foot level, this is, essentially, an "Up Yours, Trump" - Trump tells Tillerson to secure Warmbier's release, they release a tortured corpse-to-be. I don't know any other way to take this than a direct insult and provocation. If I were Mr. Discount Haircut, I would not be so quick to insult the US - the Wimp Triumvirate of Obama-Carter-Kerry is long gone and Trump-Mattis-Tillerson may not be so easy to intimidate. | |||
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Coin Sniper |
Granted he broke the law in a foreign country, but that level of abuse in custody to the point of death seems a bit extreme for a crime that would be less than $100 anywhere else in the civilized world. Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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| Oh stewardess, I speak jive.  |
RIP, kid. May you be avenged 100 fold, one day. | |||
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Now in Florida |
A terrible loss. Even sadder that there is really nothing that the USA can do about it. We have no ties with NK that we could cut. There are no sanctions we could impose that we haven't already that would matter at all. Military retaliation is off the table. There is just nothing we can do other than issue a strongly worded condemnation, which will mean zero to the Norks. | |||
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| Don't Panic |
A bit of Asian history about ways insults can be made and answered, from Wikipedia.
Everyone's heard of Ghengis Khan. Whatever, I wonder, happened to the Khwarezmian Dynasty?  | |||
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Lot's wrong here. The kid should not have been there in the first place. I don't care if it's legal, it will never be a 'safe' place for an American. Not smart, if you're already there, to give the NORKs any reason to single you out. Punishment for what would be hardly a crime anywhere else in the world shouldn't have been a 15 year at hard labor sentence and certainly he shouldn't have been tortured (but apparently was). The father says that the last administration didn't want the family making any 'noise' that the NORKs might think was offensive and basically wanted them to STFU while the government's 'top men' negotiated for their son's release. Sound familiar? Of course that administration did what it was used to doing. Nothing unless there was a photo-op in it for the putter-in-chief. Frankly, I'd be for shoving a nuke up Redman's butt and send him off to have dinner with his short oddly coiffured buddy. ———- Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for thou art crunchy and taste good with catsup. | |||
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That poor bastard - what did they do to him ... MDS | |||
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Very, very sad story. I'm glad, though, the family didn't leave him to linger in a vegetative state, like Terri Schiavo had been in a decade ago. | |||
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Talk about a tough sentence for trying to steal a poster-DEATH! | |||
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I think the regime sent him back knowing Otto was dying. They did not want him to die in their hands. God,Guns,Cars,& 1Wife, I would say I have it all. | |||
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| Non-Miscreant |
Sounds to me like a win-win for the commies. They get a gold star for "releasing" him and their superior medicine kept him alive for over a year, where America's couldn't keep him alive for a week. On the other hand, I discovered a new label for Nancy Pelosi. Unconscious wakefullness. And some simple rules. Don't travel to enemy territory. Unhappy ammo seeker | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
He blamed Obama for not pressing the Norks hard enough for his return. I am sorry for the kid. Going on that tour was ill-advised, but that is no excuse. They either harmed him intentionally or by being grossly negligent. I don't know what you do about it, but I hope there is something. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine |
Undoubtedly, but who do they think they are fooling? No one on the outside, but maybe the papers in N. Korea are full of stories about what a humanitarian Li'l Kim is for releasing the depraved Western Imperialist. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
I believe that Merv was one of its cities. Tolui, Genghis' son, had his ambassadors killed by the Mervians. The Persian historian Juvayni, writing a generation after the destruction of Merv, wrote Tolui ordered:
Some historians believe that over one million people died in the aftermath of the city's capture, including hundreds of thousands of refugees from elsewhere, making it one of the most bloody captures of a city in world history. So, the take home lesson is don't kill emissaries. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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Bad dog! |
Heartbreaking. ______________________________________________________ "You get much farther with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word alone." | |||
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Political Cynic |
its sad all the way around, however lots at fault a tour to North Korea? whomever thought that up is out of touch with reality my nephew went to China for 3 weeks back in May. Took him and his friends 10 months to get their visas and itinerary approved they had an absolute blast, they had a wonderful tour guide (minder) that took them to every place on their pre-planned trip - no deviations the local police and soldiers were more than happy to take pictures of them with their own cameras so that they could be in the photos only two rules - don't photograph police or military, and don't wander off on your own they had such a good time they want to go back - and they probably will [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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