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Timely article from Breitbart: Steele: Elon Musk Doesn’t Want Government Subsidies; Let’s Give Him His Wish
Linky ...let him who has no sword sell his robe and buy one. Luke 22:35-36 NAV "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves." Matthew 10:16 NASV | |||
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Might that be the unscented unicorn fart market? But more seriously, isn't Musk's current interest in populating Mars? "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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No such thing as a zero emissions car - Somewhere, some energy/fuel was used to produce the electricity (which incurs efficiency loss due to transportation/resistance). And, seeing that we don't build Hydro anymore, it's most likely it's from burning something ... freaking idiots. Don't get me started on those toxic as shit batteries. "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." ~Robert A. Heinlein | |||
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I recently made a similar point at a fundraiser. Seems the person I was chatting with is tied to the environmental movement. Oops. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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SIGnified, I've sure wondered about that myself. That electricity has to be generated somewhere. Millions,perhaps billions, of batteries containing nasty stuff have to be recycled at some point,etc. Seems it's becoming morally superior in some circles to own and operate Green/"Zero emissions vehicles". But last I heard,universal law has not changed. There is no such thing as a free lunch..... NRA Life | |||
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Yup, the emperors new clothes… paid for with your tax dollars. "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." ~Robert A. Heinlein | |||
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Saw a Model X being used as a tow vehicle at a car show. New pulling old. Amazon doesn't make money at retail... it makes it on AWS, from the infrastructure that was being primarily used for an online store. Tessa will make money on battery technologies. -- I always prefer reality when I can figure out what it is. JALLEN 10/18/18 https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...610094844#7610094844 | |||
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Then there's a slightly different viewpoint that appears to be growing giving the number of articles online. and don't forget about the Solar City pacts to capital. 2 Concerns Facing Tesla ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Only 'if' it comes through with a break through in battery tech, which is always possible. But the current lithium battery technology is not going to be the solution for the future. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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I would not personally drive one - like many other posters, I expect more range out of my vehicles - but I know a number of people who probably will never put more than 200 miles on their personal vehicle in a given day, and probably average far less than that. For those low-mileage commuters a less expensive Tesla makes a lot of sense. ---------------------------------------- Death smiles at us all. Be sure you smile back. | |||
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I agree, but they're selling LOTS of them. Here in South Florida you see Tesla's all over the place. I'm thinking the stock is being driven up by some of Tesla's future income based on it's other inventions like the solar roof tiles...... | |||
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Somehow the hype and fuss of Tesla today puts me in memory of Akamai Technologies in 1999. (OTC:AKAM) IPO in Nov 1999, priced at $26 by the underwriters, first aftermarket trade at $110. Killer company, killer tech. Visionary management, technology way ahead of competition and crucial for its industry to advance. Never mind that sales in the IPO year were under $2M and it lost money doing so - stock went up and up. In a few months, it was over $300. Champagne and caviar for everyone. Then, of course, a few more months later it was 2000 and investors started noticing all of the emperors that had no clothes (well, no profits, very little revenues) and started and looking for results rather than slideware. When AKAM bottomed out in 2003 it was under $2/share. Yes, it survived (and still does) and yes it now makes money. And, if you waited to buy it when it bottomed out at $2 and held on, you'd have made a boatload, too. But if you bought on the first upswing when it was fresh and new and everyone was on board...well it's at $59 now, so...no. Long way to say, don't pin your hopes on the investing community to tell you what a company is worth.  | |||
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Socially and morally superior electricity is produced by burning (or shredding) birds, particularly eagles. The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People again must learn to work, instead of living on public assistance. ~ Cicero 55 BC The Dhimocrats love America like ticks love a hound. | |||
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Same here.  “Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.” ― Ronald Reagan Retired old fart | |||
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This. One thing everybody is forgetting is that lithium is a rare and finite resource. We can see this by looking at the fact that it's price has tripled over the past decade or so... Lithium batteries are NOT the future, and no matter how much the eco-nuts pat themselves on their back, they are NOT saving the environment. | |||
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Good thing I passed on it at 135.00.  Another missed boat in my life, oh well, guess I'm going back to work tomorrow...My biggest so far was passing on Apple at 14.00 yrs ago, what a dick!!! And my latest, watching Elbit Systems Ltd. (ESLT), jet upwards of 120.00 after I looked at it at 63.00. Good thing I don't do this for a living... Foster's, Australian for Bud | |||
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Tesla is the Twitter of the automotive world. All hat, no cattle. RMD TL Davis: “The Second Amendment is special, not because it protects guns, but because its violation signals a government with the intention to oppress its people…” Remember: After the first one, the rest are free. | |||
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Ditto here. I wonder if anyone credible has added up the anti-environmental byproducts of mining and processing the materials from which to make the batteries. Then the toxic waste as part of the battery manufacturing process and the recycle/disposal process. Then the any use of hydrocarbon based fuels to generate electricity to run the cars. It may well be all electric vehicles do more damage to the environment than regular cars. Sidenote. The (currently) largest solar power plant in the US is Ivanpah in So Cal. I understand the electricity costs 50% more to generate than the plan called for. And they have natural gas backup for when there is no sun -- when they fire up the burners they emit enough CO2 that they had to file as a gross polluter. Also, the impact of the solar panels has caused quite a bit of damage to the local flora and fauna. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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I live in Silicon Valley.  "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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My thoughts exactly after reading zero emissions. NRA Life Endowment member Tri-State Gun collectors Life Member | |||
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