By that logic, we wouldn't investigate any terrorist acts. Someone uses a suicide vest to kill 50 Americans at a shopping mall. Do you expect investigators to say "Oh, this person was obviously crazy, so let's pack up our shit and go to Hooters"?

You would and do expect them to investigate, since it is absolutley necessary. The Las Vegas incident is no different.

https://hotair.com/archives/ja...other-bad-precedent/

Today marks the third anniversary of the worst mass shooting in the history of the United States. On October 1st, 2017, Stephen Paddock killed 58 people and wounded more than 850 others when he opened fire on the crowd attending an outdoor concert from the window of his room in the Mandalay Bay Hotel in Las Vegas.

A Clark County, Nev., judge on Wednesday approved a payout of $800 million to the victims and relatives of the 2017 mass shooting at Las Vegas’ Mandalay Bay Hotel.

District Court Judge Linda Bell approved the payout from MGM Resorts International to more than 4,400 people, according to The Associated Press. Bell cited “near-unanimous participation in the settlement among potential claimants” in her order.

MGM Resorts, which did not acknowledge fault with the payout, will pay $49 million in the settlement, with its insurers covering the balance.

MGM Resorts did not accept any fault in the mass shooting

The responsibility for all of that carnage rests solely on the shoulders of Stephen Paddock. The room he rented had the same safety features and accommodations as any other casino hotel room in Sin City and met all applicable building codes. He had to shoot the windows out in order to carry out his plan. The room offered no easy opportunity to do what he did. He was the one who surreptitiously smuggled all of his firearms and ammunition into the room. He was the one who pulled the trigger. The fault for all of those deaths and injuries is his alone.

And yet MGM Resorts International is the entity being made to pay for it. This was obviously a public relations decision on the part of the chain’s management, offering an opportunity for “closure” for the families

I have some sources that were connected to the multiple investigations of the shooter's motives.

To this day, they have no idea.

Money wasn't the issue, the girlfriend had no idea and completely cooperated and her going to another country prior to this was not in any way tied into the shooting.

There is one person who I suspect is kicking himself in the pants over this and his name isn't going to be shared but his angst and worry about stopping this before it happened are a sort of survivor's guilt. He was not there that day but was well-aquainted with the shooter long before it happened and wondered if he could or should have spotted something about the shooter that might have been a clue.

LEO did a good job with some notable exceptions and that's not for a public forum but there were changes made and some ass chewing that I'm told was very well-deserved and addressed character flaws that might have made a difference.

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:
I have some sources that were connected to the multiple investigations of the shooter's motives.

To this day, they have no idea.

The Hell you say.

I predicted it- the same day it happened, less than 4 hours after it was posted here:

https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...640091134#6640091134

I seem to have an innate sense about some things. It's not a brag, it's not an exaggeration. I just seem to have a built-in sense about some things. I've had it all my life.

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:
sort of survivor's guilt

Hopefully he will resolve it for himself and realize that even today with countless incidents and their kind of clues these people often provide beforehand, it’s always far easier to say, “coulda, woulda, shoulda,” after the fact than to take effective action before something actually occurs. One of the most obvious very early examples was before the man who went to the top of the “Texas Tower” to shoot a large number of people in 1966, he described to a psychiatrist that specific scenario that he was thinking of doing.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:
I have some sources that were connected to the multiple investigations of the shooter's motives.

To this day, they have no idea.

The Hell you say.

I predicted it- the same day it happened, less than 4 hours after it was posted here:

https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...640091134#6640091134

I seem to have an innate sense about some things. It's not a brag, it's not an exaggeration. I just seem to have a built-in sense about some things. I've had it all my life.

You're spot on.

They've had profilers, LEO psychiatrists and lots of resources working the mental health side and there's nothing they've come up with. You might as well say he did it for shits and giggles.

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Today marks the third anniversary of the worst mass shooting in the history of the United States.

I suppose it would be wrong to remind the author at HotAir.com of Wounded Knee.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:
sort of survivor's guilt

Hopefully he will resolve it for himself and realize that even today with countless incidents and their kind of clues these people often provide beforehand, it’s always far easier to say, “coulda, woulda, shoulda,” after the fact than to take effective action before something actually occurs. One of the most obvious very early examples was before the man who went to the top of the “Texas Tower” to shoot a large number of people in 1966, he described to a psychiatrist that specific scenario that he was thinking of doing.

This one person never picked up on a clue or anything that set off the little hairs and that's the remorse. There was no doctor/patient priviledge or similar but this person believed his occupation should have offered him insight into things that normal people wouldn't have picked up.

It was a purely personal relationship that would be better described as neighborly aka chatting with your neighbors from time to time in the context of leaving your professional persona at work and just being yourself.

This person and shooter weren't neighbors but that's one good way to loosely describe their interaction.

Side note - both of the shooter's houses were put up for sale in July of 2018 with one selling Jan 2019 and the other in June 2019. Both had pretty healthy price reductions before they sold.

I imagine the owner's history had to be disclosed? Also wonder what they looked like after search warrants had been served. May be kind of a morbid curiosity, but since I do real estate listing photography I was interested and figured there would be pics up from the last sale.

https://www.zillow.com/homes/1..._rb/124235889_zpid/?

Furnishings and what not lead me to think this one was professionally staged for the photos.


https://www.zillow.com/homes/1..._rb/112503043_zpid/?

This one was was vacant when the photos were taken.

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Originally posted by 911Boss:
Side note - both of the shooter's houses were put up for sale in July of 2018 with one selling Jan 2019 and the other in June 2019. Both had pretty healthy price reductions before they sold.

I imagine the owner's history had to be disclosed?

Not necessarily. I don't know about Nevada real estate laws, but in Arkansas it wouldn't be required.

Here is video of the Route 91 shooting. A look that is in chronological order done by Mindy Robinson. Interesting things I never knew. Such as the three helicopters in the area directly behind the Mandalay shut off their Locator beacons just before the shooting. Why were the LE officers told to turn off their body cameras. Multiple areas where casing and guns were found. Personally I thought how in the world in less than a day could they determine it was a lone shooter. Some points on following the money came up. Top people in MGM weeks before the in shooting selling large amount of shares. Shorting stocks by Soros. I thought the video was well put together. In my time in LE as a detective I was always taught to question everything, never lock your mind on one theory.

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Here is video of the Route 91 shooting. A look that is in chronological order done by Mindy Robinson. Interesting things I never knew. Such as the three helicopters in the area directly behind the Mandalay shut off their Locator beacons just before the shooting. Why were the LE officers told to turn off their body cameras. Multiple areas where casing and guns were found. Personally I thought how in the world in less than a day could they determine it was a lone shooter. Some points on following the money came up. Top people in MGM weeks before the in shooting selling large amount of shares. Shorting stocks by Soros. I thought the video was well put together. In my time in LE as a detective I was always taught to question everything, never lock your mind on one theory.

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Is there really some content too gory or inappropriate ?

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Originally posted by Ozarkwoods:
Here is video of the Route 91 shooting. A look that is in chronological order done by Mindy Robinson. Interesting things I never knew. Such as the three helicopters in the area directly behind the Mandalay shut off their Locator beacons just before the shooting. Why were the LE officers told to turn off their body cameras. Multiple areas where casing and guns were found. Personally I thought how in the world in less than a day could they determine it was a lone shooter. Some points on following the money came up. Top people in MGM weeks before the in shooting selling large amount of shares. Shorting stocks by Soros. I thought the video was well put together. In my time in LE as a detective I was always taught to question everything, never lock your mind on one theory.

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Is there really some content too gory or inappropriate ?

No, shows his legs and an AR laying on them, shows his head blurred fresh blood dried blood.

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Just what is this supposed to be? Go to the 24 minute mark. "Each of the two shooters in the room killed 7 victims. Each of the two shooters near ground level killed 6 victims."

I am not watching two and a quarter hours of video, but, scrolling through randomly, I saw that slide.

Ozarkwoods, tell me what this video is claiming. You did watch it in its entirety before posting it, right?

Clearly, it was actually the CIA firing from the Grassy Knoll.

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Originally posted by Ozarkwoods:
Interesting things I never knew. Such as the three helicopters in the area directly behind the Mandalay shut off their Locator beacons just before the shooting. Why were the LE officers told to turn off their body cameras. Multiple areas where casing and guns were found. Personally I thought how in the world in less than a day could they determine it was a lone shooter. Some points on following the money came up. Top people in MGM weeks before the in shooting selling large amount of shares. Shorting stocks by Soros.

Good grief!

Have you learned nothing about this forum in the more than 12 years you've been a member?

Explain to me, please, why I see this nutjob horse shit posted in this forum.

Para,

I am in the car right now if you wish I will list the high points from the video when I get back home

Crazy ass conspiracy theory video. Started to watch on the way out the door to work this morning before I realized what it was all about. In line with 9/11 inside job fuck weasel type shit.

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Originally posted by Ozarkwoods:
I am in the car right now if you wish I will list the high points from the video when I get back home

You had me at "Soros"

You have an opportunity to explain but I can tell right now, this stuff is almost certainly getting removed. Let's hear what you have to say, but it has to be today.

I attended a conference put on by the Federal Law Enforcement training consortium back in 2018.

One of the speakers was a LVPD Captain who was the security supervisor for the Concert. He was in tears describing the carnage on the ground, the choas on the radios and difficulty in locating the shooter, and the bravery of the officers who took out the rifleman. Body cam and security camera footage was shown, including that taken as the shooter was killed, together with the crime scene photos taken after the event.

There is no room for doubt in my mind that there was a lone shooter.

Anything else is just tin foil bullshit.