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Originally posted by Sig2340:
If Assad is responsible, why are we bombing an airfield and not his residence?

Because of President Carter.

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Originally posted by SiNNiK:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
If Assad is responsible, why are we bombing an airfield and not his residence?

Because of President Carter.

I dislike him, but what did he do WRT the point I made?

Here is the official DOD video from the USS Porter:

https://www.defense.gov/Video?videoid=518031

12 missiles in 2:45 of video, by my math that puts all 59 in the air in about 6-7 minutes between 2 ships.

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Originally posted by SiNNiK:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
If Assad is responsible, why are we bombing an airfield and not his residence?

Because of President Carter.

I dislike him, but what did he do WRT the point I made?

Perhaps SiNNiK is referring to Carter's reaffirmation of President Ford's 1976 moratorium on political assassinations via Executive Order. It was, in fact, President Reagan who issued the last Executive Order prohibiting political assassinations by any US agency.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/11...index.html?_s=PM:LAW

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CIA paid off Syrian pilots to obtain chemical weapons, arm and load them on jets at a Syrian Air Force Base, gas civilians, land and then avoid Syrian security until they were extracted by the CIA. Then the intel agencies hushed all that up and convinced Mattis and the entire Pentagon along with the NSC and Trump to bomb the air base? That's the plan? And the big payoff for this spectacular op?

Yep
I am merely pointing out that one may not be able to completely trust the intelligence.
And the CIA teleported the pilots out. The big payoff was to increase russian vodka sales.

Whether or not the strike was the right choice, that was some damn quick decision making.

No wishy-washy BS response there, and I like that.

It's nice to see a president acting like a human being when helpless people are getting murdered. Not let's turn a blind eye and hope it all works out.

If not now then when?

If not us then who?

I love how the Russians keep spouting "act of aggression" snd "violation of international law".

Sure...like invading/seizing a part of eastern Europe, perhaps?

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Originally posted by flesheatingvirus:
I love how the Russians keep spouting "act of aggression" snd "violation of international law".

Sure...like invading/seizing a part of eastern Europe, perhaps?

All bluster and talk, they have to do it to save face in front of their people and allies.

We'd do the same if they hit say Afghanistan for dropping chemical weapons on their people.

retracted this 2014 "fact"

As I listened to liberal media yesterday and their Russia "experts", it was the expected song and dance.

All the while I wondered if Trump's action didn't just give Putin an "out" of Syria. All the experts say that Syria is one of only two foreign policy "successes" (from the Russian perspective), so it's really important to him.

What if so much of Putin's actions were predicated on a bitch like Obama and his lead-from-behind foreign policy. Perhaps Putin does see Trump as an equal or at least someone to be respected, unlike Obama, who is someone to be disrespected, and Trump has actually allowed Putin a foreign policy pivot, at least WRT to Syria.

Alternate, non-conspiracy train of thought:

Trump takes decisive action unexpectedly after provocation (a test, if you will); Putin blusters as is expected, but then slowly pulls out of Syria instead of doubling down. This gets international heat off of him, probably allows him slack in Ukraine, and Putin gets to reframe the relationship "on his terms". End result: Assad loses Russian backing, Putin looks less bad in the eyes of the world, Trump continues to be treated like shit by the media, but when no one is looking, Trump and Putin work to normalize relationships (and, shit, throw in China, too), and Syria turns into a potentially not-so intractable situation.

I posit this because most of the leftist media is predicated on two assumptions: 1) Trump is an idiot, and 2) Obama's policies were all for the better of the world.

The Russians need the port and their airfield as its the only footprint they have in the area. I dont think they will be leaving anytime soon.

Either
1. "terrorists" own and run chemical factories and workshops according to Syria and Russia. When these were bombed by Syria, or whomever, the chemicals magically combined into the correct amounts to make Sarin gas ...

OR

2. A state that has used it and other weaponized chems on its own people before ,did it again

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Originally posted by Oat_Action_Man:
As I listened to liberal media yesterday and their Russia "experts", it was the expected song and dance.

**I swore off all cable news a decade or so ago, but I still get a kick out of some of the clips and snippets I see online.

Yep. Full court press to minimize the impact the past few days have taken on their political religeon. If they can get even a few soundbites to take hold for a few days, it will tie them over to the next repudiation.

They are playing defense, and we're winding up our long game.

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Originally posted by stoic-one:
Here is the official DOD video from the USS Porter:

https://www.defense.gov/Video?videoid=518031

12 missiles in 2:45 of video, by my math that puts all 59 in the air in about 6-7 minutes between 2 ships.

How many launch tubes do they have? Are all missiles loaded and ready in their own tube, or do they have to "reload" from a magazine as fired?

56 TLAM

The missiles are in a container with the tubes and the container was designed to be removed and replaced at sea by pulling the container and dropping a loaded container in the well.

But it was found to be difficult and dangerous.

I saw one being loaded, and the container only has a few inches to work with, and at sea, an "oops" would be disastrous. They use a big crane and the whole container is like trying to stuff a train car in a hold.

So, I guess they load each tube from the top, one by one.

http://navylive.dodlive.mil/20...ch-strikes-on-syria/

Navy Battle Damage Assessment photos










USS Ross




from:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/w...trike-syria-10176960

Wow. Look at those neat little holes in those concrete domes. I wonder how well the interior and thick roofs/walls of those things helped distribute the blasts?