Here in England there are suitable oak trees in the little forests.

Unlike the French, who did not replant their oak trees after using them to build their grand Napoleonic navy, the British DID replant the used trees, and that legacy is all around to see and wonder at.

What a gesture that would be, to offer some of them to the French in their hour of need, and the unbelievable level of embarrassment it would take for them to accept the wood.

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Originally posted by tacfoley:
Here in England there are suitable oak trees in the little forests.

Unlike the French, who did not replant their oak trees after using them to build their grand Napoleonic navy, the British DID replant the used trees, and that legacy is all around to see and wonder at.

What a gesture that would be, to offer some of them to the French in their hour of need, and the unbelievable level of embarrassment it would take for them to accept the wood.

You Brits could also offer the services of the people that rebuilt Windsor Castle and other places requiring those kinds of specialized skills.

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Originally posted by Doc H.:

Two hundred years, originally. For perspective. Of course, that was the whole cathedral, and modern construction can accelerate it, although likely not duplicate it, but still....

Important to note is modern manpower and construction methods. The population of Paris didn’t even hit 150,000 until the 1500’s, so one reason why construction took so long was lack of available manpower on a full-time basis.

With the money raised, you could hire skilled teams of woodworkers to run 24/7 if needed.

True, although some of the major reasons for the long construction cycle were actually funding, and necessary (and unnecessary) architectural additions and changes, like the flying buttresses to shore up cracks discovered in the original walls. It's a huge, complex structure that's a work of art in itself, much of it built with skills and techniques that will never exist again, so maybe it's prudent to trim public expectations of a few months or years of restoration and all is good...

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On this frame rests a lead roof consisting of 1,326 tables 5mm thick weighing 210 tons. In the eleventh and twelfth centuries, roofs were covered with flat tile churches because of the abundant clay deposits. Paris, being far from such deposits, was preferred to lead. In 1196, Bishop Maurice de Sully bequeathed 5,000 pounds for the purchase of lead.

I can't even imagine the cost to remediate 210 tons of lead.

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Originally posted by tacfoley:
Here in England there are suitable oak trees in the little forests.

Unlike the French, who did not replant their oak trees after using them to build their grand Napoleonic navy, the British DID replant the used trees, and that legacy is all around to see and wonder at.

What a gesture that would be, to offer some of them to the French in their hour of need, and the unbelievable level of embarrassment it would take for them to accept the wood.

What a wonderful and humble gesture that would be indeed. Just think, to rebuild the church where Jeanne d'Arc, the 15 year old peasant girl who kept France from being English, was beatified following her trials and martyrdom at the hands of the English king and his co-conspirators using oak from England. Sometimes life can be both circular and poetic all at the same time....if it ever came to pass.

Money will pour-- cascade-- in. Billionaires are already outdoing one another in pledging hundreds of millions of dollars.

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Originally posted by tacfoley:
Here in England there are suitable oak trees in the little forests.

Unlike the French, who did not replant their oak trees after using them to build their grand Napoleonic navy, the British DID replant the used trees, and that legacy is all around to see and wonder at.

What a gesture that would be, to offer some of them to the French in their hour of need, and the unbelievable level of embarrassment it would take for them to accept the wood.

What a wonderful and humble gesture that would be indeed. Just think, to rebuild the church where Joan d'Arc was beatified following her trials and martyrdom at the hands of the English king and his co-conspirators using oak from England. Sometimes life can be both circular and poetic all at the same time....if it ever came to pass.

Actually Joan of Arc was burned by the French for heresy - namely, for the wearing of men's garb.

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Originally posted by tacfoley:
Here in England there are suitable oak trees in the little forests.

Unlike the French, who did not replant their oak trees after using them to build their grand Napoleonic navy, the British DID replant the used trees, and that legacy is all around to see and wonder at.

What a gesture that would be, to offer some of them to the French in their hour of need, and the unbelievable level of embarrassment it would take for them to accept the wood.

You Brits could also offer the services of the people that rebuilt Windsor Castle and other places requiring those kinds of specialized skills.

I have suggested this to my local Member of Parliament. The British are often very generous to those in dire straits. They took my family in as refugees from Burgundy back in the late 1660's, when they were escaping religious persecution, My ancestors came over with a bunch of Christians - Huguenots. Neither Jews nor Huguenots really prospered in France at that time.

Wearing men’s clothing was one charge against Jeanne d’Arc but hardly the most serious. She was declared a heretic and burned for other reasons as well. This is what Wikipedia has to say about who killed her, and it’s what I recall from my own reading:

“On 23 May 1430, she was captured at Compiègne by the Burgundian faction, a group of French nobles allied with the English. She was later handed over to the English and put on trial by the pro-English bishop Pierre Cauchon on a variety of charges. After Cauchon declared her guilty she was burned at the stake on 30 May 1431, dying at about nineteen years of age.”

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Originally posted by tacfoley:

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Originally posted by x0225095:

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Originally posted by tacfoley:
Here in England there are suitable oak trees in the little forests.

Unlike the French, who did not replant their oak trees after using them to build their grand Napoleonic navy, the British DID replant the used trees, and that legacy is all around to see and wonder at.

What a gesture that would be, to offer some of them to the French in their hour of need, and the unbelievable level of embarrassment it would take for them to accept the wood.

What a wonderful and humble gesture that would be indeed. Just think, to rebuild the church where Joan d'Arc was beatified following her trials and martyrdom at the hands of the English king and his co-conspirators using oak from England. Sometimes life can be both circular and poetic all at the same time....if it ever came to pass.

Actually Joan of Arc was burned by the French for heresy - namely, for the wearing of men's garb.

Read your history a bit closer....it is a truly fascinating story...Mark Twain's favorite book he ever wrote was his narrative biography of Joan of Arc.

yes.....the French Burgundians WERE the English co-conspirators who tried Joan after they captured her in a political trial led by English commanders and the Pro-British Burgundians for about every crime they could dream of...yes, including heresy (specifically cross dressing because they either took her clothes or raped her when she wore female attire).... prompting "testimony" from "witnesses" upon the threat of death. Actually, she was able to avoid all of their theological traps and many of them in remarkable fashion...particularly amazing considering that she was an illiterate country girl from southern France albeit one held in the Grace of God.

Keep in mind that at this point during the 100 years war that about 2/3's of France was under English control and going down quickly. The French Dauphin, Charles VII hadn't yet been crowned at the official court of France located at Reims because of English control of that part of the country. Joan's vision, presence and leadership turned it all around in, well, miraculous fashion. The English still disputed it to such a degree following her death that they even shipped little 10 year old Henry VI to France to have his rival coronation at Notre-Dame in Paris but the rest is left to history.

In short, she is the Patron Saint of France and THE reason why France is French and not English.

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Wearing men’s clothing was one charge against Jeanne d’Arc but hardly the most serious. She was declared a heretic and burned for other reasons as well. This is what Wikipedia has to say about who killed her, and it’s what I recall from my own reading:

“On 23 May 1430, she was captured at Compiègne by the Burgundian faction, a group of French nobles allied with the English. She was later handed over to the English and put on trial by the pro-English bishop Pierre Cauchon on a variety of charges. After Cauchon declared her guilty she was burned at the stake on 30 May 1431, dying at about nineteen years of age.”

Actually the tribunal commanded her not to wear men's clothing, and the pretext for her disobedience regarding same was the sentinal event allowing her "legal" execution. And Cauchon was French after all, died in a barber's chair or some such if I recall, hardly remembered today, except for his repudiation by the Church....

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Wearing men’s clothing was one charge against Jeanne d’Arc but hardly the most serious. She was declared a heretic and burned for other reasons as well. This is what Wikipedia has to say about who killed her, and it’s what I recall from my own reading:

“On 23 May 1430, she was captured at Compiègne by the Burgundian faction, a group of French nobles allied with the English. She was later handed over to the English and put on trial by the pro-English bishop Pierre Cauchon on a variety of charges. After Cauchon declared her guilty she was burned at the stake on 30 May 1431, dying at about nineteen years of age.”

Actually the tribunal commanded her not to wear men's clothing, and the pretext for her disobedience regarding same was the sentinal event allowing her "legal" execution. And Cauchon was French after all, died in a barber's chair or some such if I recall, hardly remembered today, except for his repudiation by the Church....

"allowing her "legal" execution"

... which was annulled at her nullification trial due to the conditions of her confinement and the humiliations she suffered at the hands of her captors.

Cauchon was Pro-British French clergy and he himself was declared a heretic for his role in the "trial" of Joan.

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Originally posted by Doc H.:

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Wearing men’s clothing was one charge against Jeanne d’Arc but hardly the most serious. She was declared a heretic and burned for other reasons as well. This is what Wikipedia has to say about who killed her, and it’s what I recall from my own reading:

“On 23 May 1430, she was captured at Compiègne by the Burgundian faction, a group of French nobles allied with the English. She was later handed over to the English and put on trial by the pro-English bishop Pierre Cauchon on a variety of charges. After Cauchon declared her guilty she was burned at the stake on 30 May 1431, dying at about nineteen years of age.”

Actually the tribunal commanded her not to wear men's clothing, and the pretext for her disobedience regarding same was the sentinal event allowing her "legal" execution. And Cauchon was French after all, died in a barber's chair or some such if I recall, hardly remembered today, except for his repudiation by the Church....

"allowing her "legal" execution"

... which was annulled at her nullification trial due to the conditions of her confinement and the humiliations she suffered at the hands of her captors.

Cauchon was Pro-British French clergy and he himself was declared a heretic for his role in the "trial" of Joan.

...posthumously, it should be noted.... That the Church and even the pro-British French eventually claimed her as their own is a tribute to the strength of her faith and character. And maybe something else....

I saw a comment saying how France officially states it wasn't arson, yet they have heavily armed security personnel on site.

Hmmmm.

I think regular cops would be enough to keep tourists away from the site.

Reading all this above makes me reflect on how I did not like history in high school. You guys are bringing up bad memories.

https://www.newsweek.com/spate...hrist-statue-1370800

Dated March 21, 2019

"CATHOLIC CHURCHES ARE BEING DESECRATED ACROSS FRANCE—AND OFFICIALS DON’T KNOW WHY"

THEY
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BraaaaaaaaaananananaanHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

^^^ Churches desecrated across France. And officials don't know why.

Why would churches be desecrated? Hmm. It's a mystery.

This is why the government of France officially states it wasn't arson-- while the embers are literally still glowing. And they will never find evidence of arson.

Why did Notre Dame burn?

It's a mystery.

Who will win in this struggle, the Muslims of the French? The Muslims or the Europeans?

One side is burning, looting, raping, murdering.

The other side is ... puzzled. Scratching their head. Wondering what is going on.

And don't forget that just this past Friday, France had jailed the jihadist woman who attempted a terror attack on, ahem, Notre Dame in 2016. Friday. Four days ago.

France jails 'jihadist' woman accused over foiled terror attack

Crusades 2.0. Bring it on immediately. Slaughter every single one of those Godless fucking animals.

"Let's wait for the facts". Oh yeah, let's wait for the facts. We all know the facts.
We'll never hear them, but we know them. Meanwhile the muslims run rampant around the world.

Nope. We will not be safe until every single one of them is a dead and rotting corpse.

This one hits home, in a big fucking way.

Humanity is at stake.

I want the Truth!