^^^^ Oh, there'll be a lot of that type of smirking I'm sure.

Pigs.

#Breaking: Just in - French Media confirms there were no construction workers at the time of the fire at the cathédrale Notre-Dame de #Paris. #NotreDame #France. Also the church was also closed at the time of the fire. So nothing was going on the church.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.c...ral-at-time-of-fire/

Quite a tragedy for the civilized world.

I don't believe this was an accident or French workers sneaking a smoke break. Let's see if France is willing to put 2 and 2 together and say it out loud.

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Originally posted by 2012BOSS302:
Quite a tragedy for the civilized world.

I don't believe this was an accident or French workers sneaking a smoke break. Let's see if France is willing to put 2 and 2 together and say it out loud.

Doesn't look that way. Instead a cover up to protect the m***** invaders who have a history, no tradition, of defiling Christian sites during Holy Week. Tell me how arson can be ruled out before the embers are even cold?

"...........The Paris prosecutors’ office ruled out arson and possible terror-related motives, and said it was treating it as an accident, The Associated Press reported...………"

^^^^ Yeah, that's bull. How can they say anything with certainty right now?

I’ve been following the Twitter feeds coming out of France. There’s a trend of blaming Muslims, and Muslims posting tweets cheering the destruction of the church.

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Originally posted by feersum dreadnaught:
#Breaking: Just in - French Media confirms there were no construction workers at the time of the fire at the cathédrale Notre-Dame de #Paris. #NotreDame #France. Also the church was also closed at the time of the fire. So nothing was going on the church.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.c...ral-at-time-of-fire/

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No construction workers .

Closed to the public.

Hmm??

Pretty efficient arson investigators they have in Paris.

No arson, no terrorism.

Any word if they located the fire origin?

About twenty years ago, there was a large fire in a major Jewish synagogue in NYC. Of course, the whispers about it being terrorism started immediately. It wasn't. They were doing roof work. Some roofer got overenthusiatic with a tiger torch putting down a torch down bituminous roof membrane. At this point, I'm assuming the similar here (given that there was work being done on the roof) until there's something different from a reliable source.

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Originally posted by 2012BOSS302:
Quite a tragedy for the civilized world.

I don't believe this was an accident or French workers sneaking a smoke break. Let's see if France is willing to put 2 and 2 together and say it out loud.

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Originally posted by Greymann:

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Originally posted by feersum dreadnaught:
#Breaking: Just in - French Media confirms there were no construction workers at the time of the fire at the cathédrale Notre-Dame de #Paris. #NotreDame #France. Also the church was also closed at the time of the fire. So nothing was going on the church.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.c...ral-at-time-of-fire/

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No construction workers .

Closed to the public.

Hmm??

And one of the most famous churches in the Christian World is burned during the week of Easter.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
About twenty years ago, there was a large fire in a major Jewish synagogue in NYC. Of course, the whispers about it being terrorism started immediately. It wasn't. They were doing roof work. Some roofer got overenthusiatic with a tiger torch putting down a torch down bituminous roof membrane. At this point, I'm assuming the similar here (given that there was work being done on the roof) until there's something different from a reliable source.

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Originally posted by 2012BOSS302:
Quite a tragedy for the civilized world.

I don't believe this was an accident or French workers sneaking a smoke break. Let's see if France is willing to put 2 and 2 together and say it out loud.

This is MUCH different if reports are true there were no construction personnel on hand today.

I'm sure Paris has whatever the French translation of "Fire Marshall" is. As soon as it's cool enough, they'll be going over the wreckage (along with their version of the FBI.) Arson is usually pretty apparent to someone who knows what they're looking for.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by BBMW:
About twenty years ago, there was a large fire in a major Jewish synagogue in NYC. Of course, the whispers about it being terrorism started immediately. It wasn't. They were doing roof work. Some roofer got overenthusiatic with a tiger torch putting down a torch down bituminous roof membrane. At this point, I'm assuming the similar here (given that there was work being done on the roof) until there's something different from a reliable source.

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Originally posted by 2012BOSS302:
Quite a tragedy for the civilized world.

I don't believe this was an accident or French workers sneaking a smoke break. Let's see if France is willing to put 2 and 2 together and say it out loud.

This is MUCH different if reports are true there were no construction personnel on hand today.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
About twenty years ago, there was a large fire in a major Jewish synagogue in NYC. Of course, the whispers about it being terrorism started immediately. It wasn't. They were doing roof work. Some roofer got overenthusiatic with a tiger torch putting down a torch down bituminous roof membrane. At this point, I'm assuming the similar here (given that there was work being done on the roof) until there's something different from a reliable source.

Your assumption is just as baseless as anyone else's at this point.

Twelve French Churches Attacked, Vandalized in One Week

A dozen Catholic churches have been desecrated across France over the period of one week in an egregious case of anti-Christian vandalism.

The recent spate of church profanations has puzzled both police and ecclesiastical leaders, who have mostly remained silent as the violations have spread up and down France.

Last Sunday, marauders set fire to the church of Saint-Sulpice — one of Paris’ largest and most important churches — shortly after the twelve-o’clock Mass
Police have concluded that the fire was the result of arson and are now looking for possible suspects. The restoration of the church from the damage caused by the fire will reportedly cost several hundred million euros.

In Nimes (department of the Gard), near the border with Spain, the church of Notre-Dame des Enfants was desecrated in a particularly odious way, with vandals painting a cross with human excrement, looting the main altar and the tabernacle, and stealing the consecrated hosts, which were discovered later among piles of garbage.

Likewise, the church of Notre-Dame in Dijon, in the east of the country, suffered the sacking of the high altar and the hosts were also taken from the tabernacle, scattered on the ground, and trampled.

In Lavaur, in the southern department of the Tarn, the village church was assaulted by young men, who twisted one arm of a representation of the crucified Christ to make it appear that he was making an obscene gesture.

In the peripheries of Paris, in the department of Yvelines, several churches have suffered profanations of varying importance, in Maisons-Laffitte and in Houilles.

Although commentators have been reluctant to attach a particular religious or cultural origin to the profanations, they all share an evident anti-Christian character.
In recent months, anti-Semitic gangs have desecrated Jewish cemeteries, signing their actions with swastikas. In the case of the desecration of Catholic churches, the vandalism has spoken for itself: ridicule of the figure of Christ on the cross and desecration of major altars.

The Catholic hierarchy has kept silent about the episodes, limited themselves to highlighting that anti-Christian threat and expressing hope that politicians and police will get to the bottom of the crimes.

Reports indicate that 80 percent of the desecration of places of worship in France concerns Christian churches and in the year 2018 this meant the profanation of an average of two Christian churches per day in France, even though these actions rarely make the headlines.

In 2018, the Ministry of the Interior recorded 541 anti-Semitic acts, 100 anti-Muslim acts, and 1063 anti-Christian acts.

https://www.breitbart.com/fait...dalized-in-one-week/

France: Muslim migrant held for extensive damage to centuries-old Paris church

APR 14, 2019 8:00 AM BY ROBERT SPENCER

There has been a wave of vandalism of churches all over France recently. The identity of the perpetrator of this particular incident suggests that more than just this case could be a manifestation of Islam’s violent contempt for Christianity, the religion of the “most vile of created beings” (Qur’an 98:6). A large number of people holding that contempt have recently been admitted into France. Merci, Macron!

An update on this story. “Saint-Denis: the alleged vandal of the basilica will be tried in May,” translated from “Saint-Denis : le vandale présumé de la basilique sera jugé en mai,” by Jeanne Cassard, Le Parisien, April 12, 2019 (thanks to David):

A 41-year-old man appeared this Friday at the court of Bobigny for damaging the organ of the basilica. The hearing was postponed to May 10th.

It was a dialogue of the deaf. “I do not know how I am involved in this case,” said the defendant in the court in Bobigny this Friday. Suspected of having damaged two doors, several stained glass windows, and the organ of the basilica of Saint-Denis in March, this 41-year-old man was speaking at a preliminary hearing.

When asked whether he prefers to postpone the date of his trial to prepare his defense, as the procedure requires, he replied that he “does not understand the French judicial system”.

Identified by his DNA

The forty-year-old was arrested Thursday at the detention center in Vincennes (Val-de-Marne), identified by his DNA found in the basilica. A Pakistani national, he arrived in France two months ago and does not speak French. He has already received a legal summons for having damaged property twice in February.

Annoyed, the president of the court stated that he believed that “the situation was not very difficult to understand” and reiterated his question. “How can I provide explanations if I’m not aware of what happened?” he persisted.

Custody

The magistrate ended up wondering if he “purposely does not understand”. The court finally decided to postpone the trial until May 10, and to place the accused in pre-trial detention until that date.

A psychiatric examination was ordered.


https://www.jihadwatch.org/201...ies-old-paris-church

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Originally posted by BBMW:
I'm sure Paris has whatever the French translation of "Fire Marshall" is. As soon as it's cool enough, they'll be going over the wreckage (along with their version of the FBI.) Arson is usually pretty apparent to someone who knows what they're looking for.

Something tells me that won't be the issue here. The 'issue' will be what to report if the cause is determined to be something more than an accident.

How about we wait for the facts?

It's easy to speculate.

Just like the RBG thread, let's not just bump this with nonsense and frankly obvious speculation.

Save it for real news. Anything less is jerking peoples chains.

Question for the engineers:

If it is rebuilt with steel, how long will steel last?

So many skyscrapers have been built in congested areas, such as NYC.

This wooden structure lasted 800 years.

How long will steel last? I’m thinking of rust and corrosion. Will metal fatigue over a long period of time? Become brittle or something?

Could a steel skyscraper or structure of steel such as a rebuilt Notre Dame Church last 800 years?

I agree Arc in principle. The issue nowadays is who's facts? The facts that are broadcast to those waiting are those that fit the narrative, unfortunately. So standby, the spoon is yours.

I agree that this is a real loss. One that the magnitude is hard to quantify.