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This happened on my patch. I know Al Gaston pretty well. While it is true the Federal Law prohibits anybody being armed in a SS or other govmnt bldg, that office has, in the past, let the rule slide. The rentacop was, technically in the right by policy if not practice until he pulled his gun. If you looked at the picture of Al, he is a BIG guy. Really powerful. And he was sure the kid was gonna shoot him in the back. Guard deserved to get fired, but Al will lose the suit because he was in violation of the LETTER of the Law, but not the spirit of its' use in THAT SS OFFICE. | |||
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Neither, just a normal tone and volume. Federal law demands that I tell the Post Office that I'm shipping a firearm, but it is silent on the tone I should use. ;
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Let's move on, please. | |||
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Oh, shipping a firearm. I guess I don't considering that 'concealed', as it's in a box for shipment. My sarcasm was intended for someone carrying a concealed firearm entering the PO and announcing the fact, not shipping a firearm. Back OT, my apologies. | |||
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Sorry, my original post was on topic and with my example I was trying to point out the vagueness of the law some people think the deputy violated. I don't believe he did anything wrong. | |||
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Taxi Drivers get robbed or assaulted, as do Nurses, Bank Tellers, Delivery People, Teachers, 7-11 cashiers, Bus drivers, HR people, McDonald's workers, Jewelers, the list goes on. But, IRS workers scored armed security, paid for by, ironically, taxes. . | |||
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Taxi Drivers get robbed or assaulted, as do Nurses, Bank Tellers, Delivery People, Teachers, 7-11 cashiers, Bus drivers, HR people, McDonald's workers, Jewelers, the list goes on. But, IRS workers scored armed security, paid for by, ironically, taxes.[/QUOTE] The Social Security office I went to had armed security and metal detectors also. Maybe they have more irate or irrational people than other government offices. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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Interesting. Pentagon reservation policy is no knives with a blade in excess of 2.5 inches. I picked up a small folding Buck knife advertised with a 2.31-inch blade, just for this purpose. Coming in thru the north parking entrance one day, I was pulled into a random search by the PFPA. As I emptied my pockets into a tray, I caught the attention of one of the officers and, holding up the folded knife up, announced "2.3 inches". On my way out the officer thanked me for letting me know (he did measure it). _________________________________________________________________________ “A man’s treatment of a dog is no indication of the man’s nature, but his treatment of a cat is. It is the crucial test. None but the humane treat a cat well.” -- Mark Twain, 1902 | |||
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The Fairfax, Virginia SS office is relatively small for the population it serves. The line out the door usually starts between 7:30-8:00, for an office opening at 9:00. The wait outside is typically 1-2 hours, outside, uncovered, in the summer heat or the winter cold. It's no wonder people are irate. The vast majority of Yelp reviews are 1 or 2, with some folks wanting to give it a zero. _________________________________________________________________________ “A man’s treatment of a dog is no indication of the man’s nature, but his treatment of a cat is. It is the crucial test. None but the humane treat a cat well.” -- Mark Twain, 1902 | |||
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Sounds like the law as written, needs to be updated to allow LEO's entrance without any legal violations and thus avoiding complications with the less-than-intuitive individuals like Security Guard Seth Eklund. While the exact letter of the law states only security, the reality and day-to-day work of everyone should allow LEO (local and fed) the ability to enter while armed. Perhaps badge showing and notification of on-premises security. Security guard pleads not guilty after pulling gun on Lucas County Sheriff's deputy
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Don't doubt it for a minuet. Not quite that bad when I was a manager, but still bad. People say the government should be run like a business. I agree. No private business anywhere (who wanted to stay in business) would allow staffing levels to go as low as they are at Social Security. When I retired my office had fewer employees then when I arrived, but significantly more work. The agency budget has been cut, resulting in hiring freezes. The budget o0utlook has improved somewhat in the last few years, but more needs to be done. My staff worked damn hard every day. I was proud of them. I had lots of vets who felt they were serving their country in a different capacity at SSA. I had several staff members who came from private industry tell me that they work harder and under more stress every day than they ever did in their private industry jobs. I worked lots of overtime and in the last few years was averaging 50 hours a week. I do hope that things get better, but with the deficit we are running, I don't look for any major increases in staffing at SSA. | |||
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I'd love to ask your friend off the record if he really thought this was due to racism or if his lawyer just tacked that on cause it sounds really horrible? If he did really think it was racism vs lack of common Sense, what was the indicator the the renta cop had rasist motivations behind drawing his gun? Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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What makes a police officer any different than any other person acting in an otherwise legal manner? More so when off duty? If a tax paying citizen can carry a gun under the law, why can't they carry it into a tax funded, public, non-secure facility? Why should somebody who works one occupation be granted additional rights/protections when acting in an unofficial capacity than others? | |||
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You're right, if you've got a CCL, you should be allowed to carry no restrictions. | |||
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Hell, with clean record and no CCL you should be allowed to carry with no restrictions. . | |||
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An FBI agent told me they were moving offices. He was very happy. He told me their offices were located next to the SS offices, which he considered one of the most dangerous places in the world. He always wore a suit and had that big bulge which barely concealed a large firearm. He was not joking when he said that. | |||
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