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Originally posted by HRK:
It's a sellers market, not buyers.

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The problem is finding the people that want jobs, who will work the hours, and can absorb the training, from production standpoint it's getting people up to speed and putting out a quality vehicle from the new work force.

Yup.

Then, once you have them, if you can get them, and you've gotten them up-to-speed: Keeping them. I've had more than one business tell me the same stories: They hire. They train. Then, next thing they know: The employee quits with no advance notification. Hell, some of them have had people merely not show up for work one day and they never hear from them again. Sometimes not even having collected their last paycheck.

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The employee quits with no advance notification

This happens all the time at my company, and our HR team says that LinkedIn is almost 100% to blame.

Wouldn’t the promise of rising up through union ranks stymy this type of thing a bit though?

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Easy: Nobody wants to work. Same story everywhere I go.

Bullshit. You clearly haven't applied for any jobs recently.

People may not be lining up around the block to dig irrigation ditches or wait tables, but competition is fierce for many other types of jobs these days.

Yes.
My wife has applied for about 75 +/- jobs in the last 2 months. She's been invited to interview for 3 of them

Maybe it's just me, but from what I'm seeing, while the white collar job market is pretty tight, the blue collar market is more like the wild west.

Say what you will but most of these UAW blue collar jobs are not what I consider high skill jobs. They may require training, but that doesn't make the jobs themselves all that complex. The union acting like they are representing irreplaceable staffing is not the greatest idea ever... If they aren't careful, they're going to over play their hand.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Easy: Nobody wants to work. Same story everywhere I go.

Bullshit. You clearly haven't applied for any jobs recently.

People may not be lining up around the block to dig irrigation ditches or wait tables, but competition is fierce for many other types of jobs these days.

Yes.
My wife has applied for about 75 +/- jobs in the last 2 months. She's been invited to interview for 3 of them

OK , there's obviously more going on here .She's applying for jobs she isn't qualified for .There's something in her resume that is a deal killer . Which is it ? SOMETHING IS WRONG .

Hard to replace workers when most would be new hires can’t pass a piss test. Some employers can waive their own requirements but industrial/production type jobs have requirements from the government, which means it’s not so easy to get around.

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OK , there's obviously more going on here .She's applying for jobs she isn't qualified for .There's something in her resume that is a deal killer . Which is it ? SOMETHING IS WRONG.

Healthcare VP of operations. The company restructured 3 VP level jobs down to 1. Lot's of healthcare firms are cutting management jobs.
For some jobs there are over 1000 applicants and you are competing nation-wide.

RogueJSK is right: We have two very different job markets.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
For some jobs there are over 1000 applicants and you are competing nation-wide.

Yep. I'm running into the same thing.

Everything is online now. Which means you're now competing against everyone from the entire country, and even the world in some cases.

Potato, tomato.

Meanwhile, at the UAW...

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by chellim1:
For some jobs there are over 1000 applicants and you are competing nation-wide.

Yep. I'm running into the same thing.

Everything is online now. Which means you're now competing against everyone from the entire country, and even the world in some cases.

I was there 10 years ago. Took me almost two years to get work.

I was applying for warehouse jobs. I was a certified forklift, order picker operator. There were times I spent an hour filling out the online application and within minutes of submitting it was denied, at like 1 am, so you know no human beings were even looking at that application, an algorithm was kicking them out.

I had lots of warehouse experience, receiving and shipping. motorized pallet jack, inventory. Yet, I couldn't find a job in that industry.

My attendance was/is good. I have gotten perfect attendance awards multiple times. Yet, I never got interviews, while everyone was desperately looking for employees.

I can tell you, there are so many employers that treat the employees like total shit, and they wonder why they can't keep anybody.

As an employee I expect to get paid well, have decent benefits and not be yelled and cursed at for doing my job. You tell me what you expect from me, and I will do the job. If I'm doing it, the way I was told/trained to do then I expect to be treated fairly, paid well, and left alone.

I'm no fan of Unions, I think that a lot of UAW people are way over paid. I have friends and family that are Ford employees and I hear what they do. If they worked anywhere else they wouldn't have a job.


ARman

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Do they really think that their jobs are so skilled that no one else can do them?

Short answer, yes.

Short TERM , yes . Every one of those people had to be trained . They can do it again if that's their only option .

Well, it’s time.
If they want the job, they can come back.
If not, they can be replaced.
Otherwise, plants can be relocated or shut down.

Electric vehicles will severely reduce the union slime needed to make them.

Poor UAW. News cycle has moved on.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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OK , there's obviously more going on here .She's applying for jobs she isn't qualified for .There's something in her resume that is a deal killer . Which is it ? SOMETHING IS WRONG.

Healthcare VP of operations. The company restructured 3 VP level jobs down to 1. Lot's of healthcare firms are cutting management jobs.
For some jobs there are over 1000 applicants and you are competing nation-wide.

RogueJSK is right: We have two very different job markets.

Two very different job markets. I assist with recruitment for both white and blue collar positions making from $35,000 to $120,000+ a year.

The blue collar market is wide open. We simply can't fill vacant positions, especially given that many of those positions are at the bottom end of that scale and have to report in person.

The white collar market is really tight right now. Below about $50,000 a year you can't get applicants, but above that it's crazy. There are frequently hundreds of applicants for single positions, and more when the positions are work from home. Qualified administrators are a dime a dozen now that telework has opened the market nationally.

I think in the near future we're going to see a weird shift due to the abundance of telework. Why would you want to work a dirty blue collar position with crappy hours and a commute when you could make the same money or better working a 9-5 from your couch? Positions that have to report in person are going to have to start paying considerably more in order to recruit effectively.

Hard to assemble trucks from your couch.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/mone...-demands/ar-AA1iwtIW

A General Motors executive said Thursday that the company cannot meet all of the UAW's demands in the ongoing strike without a "devastating" impact on jobs.

In a video, Gerald Johnson, GM's executive vice president of global manufacturing and sustainability, outlined the automaker's current offer to the United Auto Workers, sending the message that GM feels it has a compelling and "historic" offer already on the table.

That offer will give a 20% wage increase to workers across the life of the contract pushing most up to $39.24 an hour, among other benefits UAW President Shawn Fain has demanded.

https://www.wrvo.org/2023-10-1...onized-grad-students

These days, the "A" in UAW might as well include academia, as roughly 100,000 of the union's 383,000 members work in higher education. They include graduate students who work as teaching and research assistants, clerical and technical workers, adjunct professors and postdocs.

At its peak from the late 1960s through the 1970s, the United Auto Workers union was 1.5 million members strong. Today it's barely a quarter that, and only about half of its members work in auto.

More recently, it's academic workers who have been joining the UAW by the thousands, helping the union maintain its numbers as its share of autoworkers has dwindled. The University of California system alone now has 48,000 UAW members

the union has been busy organizing from coast to coast. Graduate students at the University of Maine voted to unionize with the UAW earlier this month. Their counterparts at the University of Alaska are in the midst of their union vote.

The autoworkers aren't the only UAW members on strike at the moment.

The latest action came on Tuesday, when 3,700 Detroit casino workers, some of whom are represented by the UAW, walked off the job after they failed to reach an agreement on a new contract with their employers.

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These days, the "A" in UAW might as well include academia, as roughly 100,000 of the union's 383,000 members work in higher education. They include graduate students who work as teaching and research assistants, clerical and technical workers, adjunct professors and postdocs.

At its peak from the late 1960s through the 1970s, the United Auto Workers union was 1.5 million members strong. Today it's barely a quarter that, and only about half of its members work in auto.

At first glance, that's a huge surprise, but on second thought I guess it really isn't that 1/3 of their membership is actually in education.

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...st-profitable-plant/

Nearly 7,000 auto workers at Stellantis’ Sterling Heights Assembly Plant in Sterling Heights, Michigan, have joined the United Auto Workers (UAW) strike — a major blow for the automaker as the plant is its most profitable in the United States.

On Monday morning, 6,800 auto workers at the Sterling Heights plant joined tens of thousands of fellow UAW members in an ongoing strike against General Motors (GM), Ford, and Stellantis.

The Stellantis workers help produce the best-selling RAM 1500 trucks, making the plant the automaker’s most profitable in the United States. The move comes after the UAW had 8,700 auto workers join the strike at Ford’s highly profitable Louisville, Kentucky, plant.

The total number of American auto workers now on strike has reached over 40,000 and spans 22 states.

Stellantis executives said they are “outraged” by the walkout in Sterling Heights.

“Our very strong offer would address member demands and provide immediate financial gains for our employees,” Stellantis executives said in a statement. “Instead the UAW has decided to cause further harm to the entire automotive industry as well as our local, state, and national economies.”

For weeks, auto workers have said they are worried their jobs will be eliminated altogether as a result of Biden’s EV mandates and that supply chains will be dominated by China, which controls nearly 70 percent of the world’s lithium, 95 percent of manganese, 73 percent of cobalt, 70 percent of graphite, and 63 percent of nickel, key components of the EV battery supply chain.

While auto workers worry about their jobs being eliminated, automaker executives are set to score billions in lucrative tax credits thanks to Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), which will incentivize EV production and sales.

UAW Hits GM's Largest Plant With 'Surprise' 5,000-Worker Strike As Labor Action Chaos Accelerates

https://www.zerohedge.com/mark...on-chaos-accelerates

United Auto Workers boss Shawn Fain must be infuriated with Detroit's Big Three this week. He hit General Motors' largest and most profitable SUV plant in Arlington, Virginia, with a 5,000-member strike on Tuesday, following news Monday the union hit Stellantis' RAM 1500 truck plant in Michigan with a strike.

GM's Arlington Assembly plant manufactures the Chevy Tahoe, Chevy Suburban, GMC Yukon, and Cadillac Escalade. UAW's 5,000-member strike announcement comes hours after GM reported quarterly profits that exceeded expectations. However, the automaker retracted its full-year forecast due to anticipated financial challenges in the fourth quarter, especially as the strike approaches its sixth week.

"Another record quarter, another record year. As we've said for months: record profits equal record contracts." said Fain, adding, "It's time GM workers, and the whole working class, get their fair share."

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fair share

Asshole!