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Originally posted by HRK:
Disgruntled employee, customer/insured who was denied coverage for himself, family member. The responses are brutal from people saying he got what he deserved due to problems with UHC's denial of claims.

This seems most likely and more likely than some organized murder for corporate/power/DOJ reasons. There must be many thousands with a grievance against UHC.

There is no reason to think some knowledge of gun handling means this must be a professional assassination. Many people know that much about firearms, or could learn.

Of course, we are all just speculating.

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Originally posted by jhe888:
Many people know that much about firearms ....

Exactly, but it's much more fun to assume it was a high-paid "professional"—whatever that means.

Pretty much agree, this guy seemed to be pretty calm and collected. Heard an interesting point on the news, shell casings that are fired will burn off dna evidence and fingerprints but the live rounds he manually racked thru it and left on the ground might have evidence on them even if he loaded the gun with gloves.

I'll say one thing. Guy looked calm as could be. No panic on cycling the slide with the subs or failures. Even calmly kept walking until it was time to cross street.

It seems like the UHC CEO was shot by World War II era Welrod bolt action,suppressed handgun or a modern B&T VP9 (Veterinary Pistol) derivative thereof.

https://www.timesnownews.com/w...rticle-115984105/amp

Most early information on events such as this, usually turns out to be wrong.

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Originally posted by werzjon229:
It seems like the UHC CEO was shot by World War II era Welrod bolt action,suppressed handgun or a modern B&T VP9 (Veterinary Pistol) derivative thereof.

https://www.timesnownews.com/w...rticle-115984105/amp

Ian from Forgotten Weapons disagrees. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/POubd0SoCQ8

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Originally posted by werzjon229:
It seems like the UHC CEO was shot by World War II era Welrod bolt action,suppressed handgun or a modern B&T VP9 (Veterinary Pistol) derivative thereof.

https://www.timesnownews.com/w...rticle-115984105/amp

From the 3 seconds of grainy video I have seen, it could be almost any medium to largish semi with a suppressor.

The chance it is a rare, WWII item like the Welrod seems remote.

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Originally posted by jhe888:
The chance it is a rare, WWII item like the Welrod seems remote.

Given all the far more common and potentially effective alternatives available today, I cannot imagine that it was a Welrod, even if his operation of the pistol didn't look at all like he was using a bolt action.

Ian at Forgotten Weapons says it's not a Welrod/variant...

https://youtube.com/shorts/POu...?si=K2b9tULmdNUPHBbw

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Originally posted by bigwagon:

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Originally posted by steve495:

I can not imagine what his wife and kids are going through today.

It's natural to assume this was business related, but you can't rule out other motivations yet. The guy made millions. A disgruntled wife would certainly have the means to finance a hit.

Why though. She can divorce him and leave with millions without the possibly of going to jail. Yes people have done dumber stuff.

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Originally posted by 1s1k:

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Originally posted by bigwagon:

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Originally posted by steve495:

I can not imagine what his wife and kids are going through today.

It's natural to assume this was business related, but you can't rule out other motivations yet. The guy made millions. A disgruntled wife would certainly have the means to finance a hit.

Why though. She can divorce him and leave with millions without the possibly of going to jail. Yes people have done dumber stuff.

You answered your own question with the comment about people doing dumb stuff. I'm not saying she did it, but it's a possibility that likely will be investigated as a matter of SOP, as it would be in almost any case.

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Originally posted by bigwagon:
Ian from Forgotten Weapons disagrees.

Hmm ….
It does not seem to me that the shooter was clearing a malfunction after every shot. It looked to me as though he was using a pistol that didn’t cycle automatically when fired with the suppressor, and only once did he have an actual malfunction that required clearing. Speculating now, of course, but his actions when cycling the slide seemed to indicate that he was expecting to need to do that rather than being unexpected failures. If they were unexpected failures, he was definitely cool under pressure.

I admit, though, I’m not familiar enough with suppressors and their “hosts” to know if it’s even possible that a commonly available pistol would require manually cycling for every shot. Comments?

I have a Ruger 22/45 That never misses a beat using a suppressor with standard velocity ammo. CCI makes a quiet 22 ammo that is below standard velocity.

I might have to experiment one day and see if it still functions with that ammo.

Manual cycling might because of no Nielsen Device.


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My gut feeling is this is personal; an amateur hit from someone pissed off that their mother's claims were denied.

Long shot, but could be a Smith and Wesson Model 39, Mk 22 Mod 0 (nicknamed the "hush puppy"), used by Naval Special Warfare. Slide lock eliminated cycling noise, and the gun was cycled manually for each shot.

C'mon guys... It's not some 60-80 year old war relic like a Welrod or a Hush Puppy.

It's a modern semiauto with a modern suppressor, just suffering repeated FTE malfunctions due to low powered ammo and/or missing something like the aforementioned nielsen device/booster.

He did seem to be prepared for it to do that, which implies that he tried that gun/ammo/suppressor combo out beforehand and knew ahead of time that it wouldn't cycle properly and would have to be manually cycled.

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Originally posted by kkina:
Slide lock eliminated cycling noise, and the gun was cycled manually for each shot.

Would the slide cycle normally if the lock was not engaged? If so, then there would have been no reason for him to cycle it manually.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
missing something like the aforementioned nielsen device/booster.

And thanks for the explanations about lacking a booster device. Not something I was familiar with.

Funny one of the Fox figures was calling the suppressor a hush puppy which i had never heard one called before. Then i come here and the sw is named a hush puppy.