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Originally posted by 6guns:

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
At that time of day, the container ship was likely being driven by Iron Mike.

Yes, but radars should be monitored regularly. But, do Navy ships have a stealth technology that might have interrupted detestability?

From my understanding, Navy destroyers do not show up on radar very well. They can even sometimes look like a navigational buoy or something like that. Add in the fact that the destroyer was likely running dark...

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Originally posted by 6guns:

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
At that time of day, the container ship was likely being driven by Iron Mike.

Yes, but radars should be monitored regularly. But, do Navy ships have a stealth technology that might have interrupted detestability?

Arleigh Burke destroyers do (or did), have a radar absorbing material covering much of the superstructure of the ship. The design of the ship with the mast, superstructure being angled was designed to minimize radar signature.

Sounds like the freighter may not have even know she was there. Awareness responsibility sure weighs on the Navy ship in that case.

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The angled sides of the superstructure are part of design to reduce the radar signature of the vessel at sea. The tripod angled mast is also for the same radar signature reduction.

Model of the ship.
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-mo...dg-62-uss-fitzgerald

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Originally posted by sig229-SAS:
I'm curious, do naval vessels have voice recorders on the bridge? What about tracking of position, rudder position, speed, course changes etc.?

Without having read any replies to this - yet - the answer is "no."

This is a warship. Having such logs captured or seized would compromise the fleet's security.

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Originally posted by mbinky:
Where will the Navy take that to be repaired?

as to how, search for USS COLE floating dry dock (in the case of the COLE, the MV Blue Marlin).

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Originally posted by sig229-SAS:
I'm curious, do naval vessels have voice recorders on the bridge? What about tracking of position, rudder position, speed, course changes etc.?

As mentioned earlier in this thread, there are always written deck logs kept by the watch that records not only anything unusual, but routine things like you mentioned. ... as well as engineering logs.

There are also global military satellite capabilities with vast amounts of data available to those with proper security clearance and a need to know.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by 6guns:

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
At that time of day, the container ship was likely being driven by Iron Mike.

Yes, but radars should be monitored regularly. But, do Navy ships have a stealth technology that might have interrupted detestability?

From my understanding, Navy destroyers do not show up on radar very well. They can even sometimes look like a navigational buoy or something like that. Add in the fact that the destroyer was likely running dark...

Close analogy but not accurate for this type vessel. While the radar signature is lower, the ship it still readily identifiable, even at night under those moonlit conditions (providing it didn't happen under adverse weather).

During my eight years at sea on aircraft carriers, working nights for seven of them, it was easy to train my eyes to see ships at night. Unless the Fitzgerald was at Dog Zebra. And if they were at Dog Zebra the CO, XO, CHENG, etc would not have been in their staterooms.

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Originally posted by f2:

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Originally posted by mbinky:
Where will the Navy take that to be repaired?

as to how, search for USS COLE floating dry dock (in the case of the COLE, the MV Blue Marlin).

That's not a floating dry dock.

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:

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Originally posted by sig229-SAS:
I'm curious, do naval vessels have voice recorders on the bridge? What about tracking of position, rudder position, speed, course changes etc.?

Without having read any replies to this - yet - the answer is "no."

This is a warship. Having such logs captured or seized would compromise the fleet's security.

Was that a fact or your opinion?

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:

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Originally posted by sig229-SAS:
I'm curious, do naval vessels have voice recorders on the bridge? What about tracking of position, rudder position, speed, course changes etc.?

Without having read any replies to this - yet - the answer is "no."

This is a warship. Having such logs captured or seized would compromise the fleet's security.

You know this to be fact? What is your source/experience?

ETA - Rhino, sorry. Just saw your similar question.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
That's not a floating dry dock.

It was mistakenly termed that in the mainstream media, when the correct term would be a semi-submersible heavy lift ship - which would go over the heads of 99.99 percent of readers - but this is SIGforum, so touche. And to be honest, I didn't say the COLE was transported back to Norfolk by a floating dry dock, or that the MV Marlin was a floating dry dock, I said to search for USS COLE floating dry dock. So there's that also.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:

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Originally posted by sig229-SAS:
I'm curious, do naval vessels have voice recorders on the bridge? What about tracking of position, rudder position, speed, course changes etc.?

Without having read any replies to this - yet - the answer is "no."

This is a warship. Having such logs captured or seized would compromise the fleet's security.

Was that a fact or your opinion?

Ask a SWO.

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tracking of position, rudder position, speed, course changes

data is digitally recorded by a number of onboard systems. such recorded data is classified.

ship position routinely plotted on systems in CIC. former manual hand plots being replaced by electronic systems.

In my four years of bridge watches as conning officer and OOD we had several close calls. Radar isn't infallible, people aren't perfect (especially on midwatch), and the ocean at night is filled with big tankers running on auto pilot. I've had an approaching tanker turn to port in pea soup fog right off the bow of our aegis cruiser. No radar in the world will save you from that.

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Originally posted by erratic:
In my four years of bridge watches as conning officer and OOD we had several close calls. Radar isn't infallible, people aren't perfect (especially on midwatch), and the ocean at night is filled with big tankers running on auto pilot. I've had an approaching tanker turn to port in pea soup fog right off the bow of our aegis cruiser. No radar in the world will save you from that.

I was on a Navy ship in the 70's in heavy fog. Another ship ask our location and the QM gave it.

The next transmission was "That puts you 4 miles inland. Try again".

Link to original video: https://youtu.be/TCivi5cXYC8



Link to original video: https://youtu.be/ktYAlyGnjtY

http://navylive.dodlive.mil/20...6/17/uss-fitzgerald/

Those videos definitely show her having taken on a few tons of water. And, that was not a welcome home arrival by any means.

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:

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Originally posted by sig229-SAS:
I'm curious, do naval vessels have voice recorders on the bridge? What about tracking of position, rudder position, speed, course changes etc.?

Without having read any replies to this - yet - the answer is "no."

This is a warship. Having such logs captured or seized would compromise the fleet's security.

Was that a fact or your opinion?

Ask a SWO.

Yeah, 'cuz nothing else on the ship is compromising, if they were 'seized'. LMFAO. Try again.

To the Navy guys on the board:

How much damage can a modern ship take and still fight effectively? Or even fight at all?

The Stark took a single missile hit and almost sank. The Cole took the equivalent of a single missile hit and almost sank. The damage the Fitzgerald took seems about equivalent to a missile hit and appears to be combat ineffective as a result. British warships in the Falklands were taken completely out of action by single hits, several destroyed outright by fire or sinking. Several US Navy ships hit mines in DS/DS and were crippled.

I mean, these are warships right? Taking hits and damage yet still being able to fight would be part of their design, right?