We don't have to worry about an invading force. Our next fight will be internal...the enemy is already here.

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Originally posted by Aeteocles:
Would special forces deploy domestically to organize resistance?

More than likely, yes.

Green Berets and MARSOC, that's their specialty. Force Multipliers

I have thought of this often since Ukraine.

In 1912, the German Kaiser, knowing that the Swiss militia was then composed of a quarter of a million men, asked what the Swiss would do if the Germans invaded Switzerland with half a million men? They answered shoot twice and go home.

Our armed civilian population dwarfs all the standing armies in the world.

Some would go quietly, the rest of us?

Even in the blue states, there are guns, a lot of guns.

One in three Americans admits to owning a gun.
The Government stats say 44% of American homes have guns.

53 million homes have guns.

Billions and billions of rounds of ammo in private hands.

After they get through the military, what will be left for us to finish off?

Shoot once and go home?


As had been said behind every blade of grass there would be a rifle.

The Russian military has 1 million under arms.
20% using an average are combat troops.

Even if they survived the trip, a lot of Americans would be left with little to shoot at.

NATO has 3 million active and reserves.

In just Michigan, they sold 600,000 deer hunting licenses last year.

How long would a forty-mile convoy last with 1000s shooting at it?

An army needs food and fuel. People are not going to be feeding or fueling them without a fight.

When we fall it will be from within.

The important thing is to resist, no matter what kind of opponent you're dealing with. There are a lot of ways to be uncooperative. Lots. Some are non lethal if you have a conscience.

One guy CAN disrupt much, much larger forces. This lesson really hits home when a soldier does OPFOR or Aggressor Detail in the Infantry.

What's that joke from Caddyshack?.....It's not Viet Cong,.... it's Varmint Cong....

V.

Review the British expedition to Lexington and Concord that touched off the American Revolution.
The British retreat back to Boston is how you resist.

It depends upon how brutal the attacking / occupying entity desires to be upon the civilian population. Study the Boer War, after the Boer lost on the battlefield trying to keep Cecil Rhodes, his buds and the British Empire away from their gold and diamond mines. The Boers switched to guerrilla war. The civilized and compassionates brits rounded up the Boer women and children in to concentration camps - tens of thousands died and after 6 months the Boers gave up. They would get independence in 1949, but it took Germany, while losing, to bleed the British Empire white.

The Soviets sealing the Ukraine border, to force them in to collective farms. 8 to 10 million starved to death, and invading German troops where hailed as liberators (until the NSAPD political fools screwed it all up there).

So, if the aggressor gets violent enough, they will win. Over time, the occupied will perhaps become free again. Of course it make take 2000 years.

I was just chillin some so I put ‘Red Dawn’ on in the background. The part I don’t like is being out in the open with short barreled AK’s, ‘spraying & praying’.

I’d want to treat it more like an elk hunt, with an exit.

I don't overcomplicate it, myself, but do I think basic coordination is a prerequisite to being useful for both yourself and anyone else you may want to work with, so my friends and loved ones and trusted neighbors discuss these things.

We don't form a Militia, there aren't meetings, no patches or tees, no secret handshakes or passwords, there's no training camp, it's not like that, but we do all have basic plans for where to go for what crisis... who has rooms, land, resources.

And in the case of natural disasters, societal issues, Red Dawn/Zombies/whatever, we already have basic Rally Points and Plans sorted out, both around my home, and in a few other locales I frequent in the event I'm away from home when Ze Germans arrive.

It can be as simple as having a designated person or three in a few cities who will most always have a spare room / etc for you if some shit goes down, and it all depends on whether you're trying to bug out, bug in, get back home or New Zealand...

But have a plan, and a backup plan, and a phone tree, and a plan for phones not working, and a rally point or three, for riots, invasions, whatever, but have trusted people who are expecting a call or doorknock in a crisis worked out already.

You can go all Jason Bourne and leave gearbags in friend's safes all over, or you can just secure a safe spot to sleep and grab a meal before borrowing a car to get home, or a friend with a farm and room for your family if the cities are rioting...

I'll be with and around trusted and capable friends and family no matter where I am, if some shit goes down, and I have multiple options, and didn't do anything but have serious but normal discussions with my people and think about these things.

We did it over dinners and whatnot. We have chats and group chats in Signal, too.

I can snag an extra gun, ammo, gas, most anything normal at several different spots, if I need to. "Extra ARs/etc are waiting for me" at several peoples homes, all over this country. "You always have a room here", "come to the farm if...", all that...

...but more formalized, and revisted periodically. That's all, for a few scenarios.

"Assembling your team" ahead of time, even in the loosest sense, is key. That's what I mean by basic coordination. I *already* know who I can trust and for what. There won't be any fumbling around in the heat of the moment guessing or grasping for solutions.

Sort it out... have those conversations... drop off those gearbags, etc. Whatever.

This is probably better here than in the thread where I originally posted it.

Opinion piece from The Wall Street Journal.

And if you have enough interest to respond to the article, pay attention and note that it is about a war in this country not the war in Ukraine and whether that one is justified, why it occurred, and especially not whether we would or should fight for Ukraine, etc.
It’s about what people would do here.
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Home of the Brave, RIP
Most Democrats Say They’d Flee, Not Fight, a Ukraine-Style Invasion

By Matthew Hennessey

A liberal is someone too broad-minded to take his own side in a quarrel. That old joke rushed to mind as I read the results this week of a Quinnipiac University survey indicating that, well, it isn’t really a joke. There are more sunshine patriots in our midst than anyone realized.

The pollster asked: What would you do if you were in the same position as Ukrainians are now, stay and fight or leave the country? Shockingly, more than half of Democrats (52%) said they would cut and run if the U.S. homeland were invaded. We aren’t talking about women and children, or even some cadre of pacifists and conscientious objectors. This is most Democrats saying they’d rather leave America than defend it. Only a pathetic 40% said they would stick around.

Republicans did better. More than two-thirds (68%) said they would stand their ground. This could be a reflection of the partisan skew in the nation’s distribution of small arms. But 1 in 4 Republicans said they’d flee—not exactly the don’t-tread-on-me spirit I was expecting.

What in the hell has happened to this country? One can hardly imagine Americans of yesteryear exhibiting such high levels of yellow-bellyism. Where have all the Minutemen gone? The Molly Pitchers? The Audie Murphys? The Todd Beamers?

In the aftermath of Pearl Harbor and 9/11, when the nation was on its knees, the call was answered without hesitation by rock-ribbed Republicans and true-blue Democrats alike. Even the turbulent Vietnam era didn’t inspire such pusillanimity. Between 1964 and 1973, 2.2 million Americans were conscripted into military service. Another 15 million were granted deferments for one reason or another. Less than 2% of those who were eligible for the draft opted to evade it, either by going underground or emigrating. Some of them considered the war unjust. Say what you want about the merits of that argument, at least it was an argument.

This, on the other hand, is abject cowardice—at best. The conflict hypothesized by the Quinnipiac pollsters wasn’t a war for oil or empire. Poll respondents were asked to envision a foreign invader on their own front porch. Imagine Vladimir Putin has sent his shock troops to level your hometown, to occupy your high school and drop a missile on the hospital where you were born. If you won’t fight for hearth and home, what would you fight for?

Most Democrats say they would run if the U.S. were invaded.

The only appropriate response here is disgust. Making matters worse, the 52 percent-ers had the option to lie. It would have cost them nothing to say, “Yeah, I’m a patriot. I’ll stay and fight.” That suggests they put antipathy toward their country above the near-universal human impulse not to look like a quisling.

Being born an American is about the luckiest thing that could happen to a person. Sure, we have issues. Yes, Jan. 6 was bad. But government of the people, by the people, for the people, is still a rare thing. It’s still worth fighting for.

I never thought I’d live to see the day half of Democrats would toss the whole country to the wolves if given the chance.

Mr. Hennessey is the Journal’s deputy editorial features editor.

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To where would they flee, the nearest free society, Canada?

Oh, wait ...

From behind EACH Blade of Grass.

Part of indoctrination, offer no resistance, the 52% have been indoctrinated into this since kindergarten, not a surprise. Public School Education.

Clay Martin's books, Concrete Jungle & Prairie Fire contain useful information on the subject, IMO. I reread them from time to time to refresh my memory.

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Originally posted by RichardC:
To where would they flee, the nearest free society, Canada?

Oh, wait ...

They’d flee to the enemy lines and beg for forgiveness

Silent

They have been brainwashed into thinking that America is terrible and that "socialist" Europe is better.

Admittedly I haven't spent much time in Europe - just one trip to UK so far. But in general the standard of living most Americans have is far better than most of the rest of the world. That is, if you are willing to work a job and expend reasonable effort.