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eh-TEE-oh-clez |
Would special forces deploy domestically to organize resistance? | |||
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| Big Stack |
The military is the most prepared to resist this. Is the civilian side that's most vulnerable.
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| eh-TEE-oh-clez |
Perhaps I'm asking the wrong questions or am not being clear with what I'm trying to get at. Do we have a system (law, regulation, policy, plan, playbook or strategy) in place for the organized resistance of an invading force? Absent some known system, do we have precedence that can be relied on to predict what might be spun up as far as plans or resources? Have you been involved in some emergency response planning for natural or civil disasters that you can draw from as analogues? Have you read about insurrection or resistance movements in other countries or in history that you could see as parallels? What's happening in the Ukraine now? Is the Ukrainian gov't orchestrating the the resistance in tandem with their own military action, or are people molotoving cargo trucks at their own discretion? | |||
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Wait, what? |
I’m unsure there is a written plan/policy/rule book in place for such a “Red Dawn” scenario; I do believe there are plenty of vets, cops, hunters, backwoods red necks, etc. that regardless of whether a plan exists or not would willingly take up arms within their own locales and make life hell for any such force. If there isn’t some plan in a glass case to be pulled out in such an event, I believe that as long as the .gov wasn’t complicit in said invasion, they would coordinate with civilians through the individual states national guard units. I don’t see them handing out TOW’s and M4’s, but I could see them working closely with organized defenders (especially ex-military) that they could count on to use the same tactics. I also could see them being thankful to any civilians in general popping new assholes in invading foreheads. As others have said, I do believe in the end that no military force would get anywhere near the US without us knowing and putting an effective stop to it before boots arrived on our soil to occupy it. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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| Big Stack |
Yes, it's called the military. It's their job. If they need more manpower, the government will impose a draft. As far as an extra-military civilian militia (NOT including the National Guard, which is a military asset), no. And I can say with a high degree of certainty that the government has NO interest is setting that up.
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A Grateful American |
I still believe that America has superior fighting ability, materiel and numbers, as well as our CONUS bases, posts, stations being well distributed and a great number of prior military that even though not physically fit for long duration combat, have the mental wherewithal to get involved and "pick up a broom" so the more able troop can "pick up a gun". There is a mixture of art, science, ingenuity and the desire to give all ya got, for the things you cherish vs some guy being told to "come and take it". That is a recipe for a fight the other guy will realize he really does not want. It would not be pretty, but I think Americans would definitely route an enemy, and I think we can be more brutal and viscous than a lot of other peoples. Sort of the way extremes work, often a persons greatest power is also his greatest weakness and vice versa. We have a very strong civilized society. Now, flip that on it's ass, and see what you get. Or, TLDR? Fuck around, find out. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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| Was that you or the dog?  |
LOL. As soon as the invading force finds out they can't park on the street war is over. ___________________________ "Opinions vary" -Dalton | |||
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Optimistic Cynic |
Yeah, sic the Karens on 'em, they have no chance! | |||
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I Deal In Lead |
For around 10 years I was the designated Emergency Communications guy for a small town of around 50K people. There were plans for all sorts of disaster scenarios, most of which had more holes than swiss cheese, but absolutely nothing to cover resistance to an invading force. I'm pretty sure from the meetings I was in with people all the way up to the Governor's office that there's absolutely nothing planned, at least all the way up to the State Level. Essentially, the populace is on its own. Being a Prepper is a good idea as is forming good relationships with your neighbors. | |||
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Terrorists, saboteurs, spies, special ops teams, etc., could all be pouring in already though the southern border. | |||
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| Staring back from the abyss  |
Could be? ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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blame canada |
My state does, but I don't have a ton of faith in it. From the few exercises I've participated in, mostly they're clueless. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The trouble with our Liberal friends...is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan, 1964 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon will just take a shit on the board, strut around knocking over all the pieces and act like it won.. and in some cases it will insult you at the same time." DevlDogs55, 2014  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.rikrlandvs.com | |||
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Character, above all else |
I too believe Americans can be brutal and resistant to flow. We can also be vicious when need be.  "The Truth, when first uttered, is always considered heresy." | |||
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| A Grateful American |
Yeah! We will be stuck on them like black strapped mole asses. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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| I can't tell if I'm tired, or just lazy  |
Where does the National Guard fit into all of this? _____________________________ "The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living." "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" Benjamin Franklin | |||
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it would probably be safe to assume that the Reserves and NG would be 'activated' relatively early on in a large conflict. Rounded out, trained up and deployed into the force-on-force fray alongside active units. Of course one of the US Special Forces' primary tasks is equipping, training and 'advising' the operations of irregular / 'partisan' forces. so you could assume SF (both active and NG) would be involved with that in widespread locations. There are over 500 SF A-Teams in the US Army. Each one equipping and supervising the effectiveness of a small insurgent force would be problematic for the invader. https://www.globalsecurity.org...ency/army/a-team.htm A-Teams can infiltrate and exfiltrate their area of operations by air, land, or sea. An A-Team can operate for an indefinite period of time in remote locations with little or no outside support. They are truly independent, self-sustaining "detachments." A-Teams routinely train, advise and assist other US and allied forces and other agencies while standing by to perform other special operations as directed by higher authorities. All detachment members are capable of advising, assisting, and directing foreign counterparts in their function up through battalion level. Capabilities of the highly-versatile A-team include: plan and conduct SF operations separately or as part of a larger force; infiltrate and exfiltrate specified operational areas by air, land, or sea; conduct operations in remote areas and hostile environments for extended periods of time with a minimum of external direction and support; develop, organize, equip, train and advise or direct indigenous forces up to battalion size in special operations; train, advise and assist other US and allied forces and agencies; plan and conduct unilateral SF operations; and perform other special operations as directed by higher authority. ------------------------------ Proverbs 27:17 - As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. | |||
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| As Extraordinary as Everyone Else  |
I live just outside of Bragg and every year the SF candidates have a special operation in the surrounding counties where they try to perform a set of specific tasks in the real world. Our HOA put out a bulletin stating to be sure to keep your doors locked and not to open the doors to any unknown person!! A few years ago a deputy shot and killed a candidate for not complying with his orders. As far as what possible scenario a citizen could participate in some sort of paramilitary engagement the only thing I have heard of is in VA there is such a group..but I have no knowledge of how legit they are and if there are other similar groups in each state. This group was formed after 9/11 if I remember correctly.. http://virginiacitizensmilitia.com/contributions/ ------------------ Eddie Our Founding Fathers were men who understood that the right thing is not necessarily the written thing. -kkina | |||
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| I Deal In Lead |
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+1 on Joel9507 recommendation of Total Resistance. Silent | |||
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As others have already stated this falls on our military. The days of grabbing a rifle and marching off to battle are long over, at least against proper military units. The best one could hope for is guerilla warfare where individuals/small teams blend in and make trouble whenever possible. I believe it's fair to say that the US has the most experience in setting up forward operating bases and executing operations overseas. I doubt very much other countries would be able to cross either ocean without paying a significant price. It's probably why cyber attacks and rocket technology is so important because it negates having to deal with those logistics. | |||
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