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https://www.breitbart.com/poli...-drive-by-shootings/

Washington state Reps. Tarra Simmons (D) and David Hackney (D) are pushing legislation . . .


Pushing the boundaries of Democrat Insanity . . . Roll Eyes



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the looters are in deep trouble

as widely being reported,

From IRS publication 17 , page 76,




https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p17.pdf
 
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the looters are in deep trouble

as widely being reported,

From IRS publication 17 , page 76,




https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p17.pdf


IRS is how they got Capone, that and VD did him in...
 
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"Pushing the boundaries of Democrat Insanity..."

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Pittsburgh has now gone to the dark side.

"It was an effort sparked by a desire to combat racial disparities; council members cited reports and articles asserting that traffic stops — “by far the most common police encounters with civilians,” according to a New York Times story they named — suffer from racial bias and target Black and Hispanic drivers on the basis of less evidence than white drivers."

Complete article:

https://www.post-gazette.com/n...stories/202112280102

Pittsburgh City Council passes bill to cut down on traffic stops for secondary violations

JULIAN ROUTH
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
jrouth@post-gazette.com
Dec 28, 2021

Hoping to cut down on traffic stops that advocates say heighten the risk for negative interactions between police officers and citizens, Pittsburgh City Council voted on Tuesday to prohibit officers from pulling over drivers for secondary violations.

In an 8-to-1 vote just minutes after numerous members of the public and advocates asked for more input into the legislation, council opted to move forward with the limit on secondary violation enforcement, which would make it so drivers can no longer be stopped for things such as a broken tail light, the location of a registration plate or an out-of-date inspection certification.

The bill won’t take effect for 120 days, council members said, in an effort to give the public time to respond, incoming Mayor Ed Gainey the opportunity to review and the police bureau the time to train its officers.

It was an effort sparked by a desire to combat racial disparities; council members cited reports and articles asserting that traffic stops — “by far the most common police encounters with civilians,” according to a New York Times story they named — suffer from racial bias and target Black and Hispanic drivers on the basis of less evidence than white drivers.

The text of the bill notes that other municipalities have “begun changing their enforcement policies to ensure that policing resources are used to protect public safety and not to penalize people for being poor, who, in all too many cases, are people of color.”

Councilman Bruce Kraus deemed it “the right thing to do,” and recalled a series of meetings with Black leaders throughout the Hilltop neighborhoods in 2020 after a summer of racial justice protests.

“In the course of those conversations, one topic came up every time we met,” Mr. Kraus said, “and that was traffic stops and the conversations that parents are forced to have with their teenage sons and daughters about what to do and what not to do if one is stopped by the police.”

According to an annual report from the city’s Department of Public Safety, there were 9,912 individuals in Pittsburgh involved in traffic stops in 2020. Of those, 3,238 were Black men and 1,405 were Black women; while 2,984 were white men and 1,529 were white women. About 650 stops led to an arrest, the report showed.

The bill’s only opponent on council, Anthony Coghill, spoke out against the body’s process in considering the legislation. He urged members to consider a real public hearing before passage, insisting that a traffic stop bill would impact everyone in the city and demands transparency.

Mr. Coghill, who said earlier this month that ending traffic stops could impact public safety and make it so officers can’t spot serious violations, said that even those who support the bill need a seat at the table.

“This thing has been rushed. It has not been thought through. We’ve heard it across the city today,” Mr. Coghill said, referring to the dozen-plus members of the public who spoke at the top of council’s Tuesday meeting.

Many of the commenters pleaded with council to hold a public hearing before passing the legislation — including some who support the bill’s substance.

Brandi Fisher, president of the Alliance for Police Accountability, praised the Rev. Ricky Burgess — the bill’s main sponsor — for pushing a bill that eliminates traffic stops, but asked council to delay a final vote.

“We have an incoming mayor who is pushing to have a city for all, where we all work together to shape a city that embodies and reflects equity,” Ms. Fisher said, referencing incoming Mayor Ed Gainey, who will be sworn-in on Jan. 3. “I think now is the time to strongly reconsider the current culture of shaping legislation without community input and inclusion.”

Addressing critiques about the process, Mr. Kraus said council revisits topics regularly and can amend, rescind and improve on the bill if needed — “as we see fit” through conversations with constituents.

Council members have already amended the bill before, adding a 120-day grace period before the legislation goes into effect and a 60-day grace period for vehicle registration — meaning that a driver won’t be pulled over for expired registration unless the registration is more than 60 days out of date.

Julian Routh: jrouth@post-gazette.com; Twitter @julianrouth

First Published December 28, 2021, 11:57am
 
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Guess they will just have to pull people over for "excessive window tint (driver safety issue)" and "disturbing the peace with excessive bass (hearing damage issue)".

Or just tail them until they roll a stop sign, disregard a yield sign, or fail to clear the intersection before the red. Those a REAL infractions that result in points on a license.
 
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It’s too bad they just can’t pass an ordinance saying what they really mean, don’t effect traffic stops on people of color. Wouldn’t that be easier? That’s what all this bullshit is.
 
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Forget the electric chair.
I’d like to see the electric bench!


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It’s too bad they just can’t pass an ordinance saying what they really mean, don’t effect traffic stops on people of color. Wouldn’t that be easier? That’s what all this bullshit is.


And it's so ironic that these secondary violation stops of people of color just happen to uncover open arrest warrants, and the perps just happen to resist arrest, and then they just happen to be found in possession of illegal guns.

Profiling is illegal, because god forbid police officers use their brains and powers of pattern recognition to suspect that a dark tinted Escalade blasting rap with 22" rims in the hood and EXPIRED TAGS, just MIGHT be a suspect. No, they need to pull over old white women in Lincolns to check or open warrants...
 
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City of Durham (NC) police ceased pulling cars over for speeding before I moved here a couple years ago cuz speeding tickets is racist!


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There has to be some sort of exception to that rule, or do you mean to say I can fly down Main Street at a hundred miles an hour, pass up cops doing it, and fear no repercussions?
 
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In the city the traffic prevents speeding. Also the roads in Durham are in bad repair which is its own form of speed control, and many are quite narrow making it dangerous to speed. There are plenty of freeways and on them its pedal to the metal...have rarely if ever seen a local LEO, cant even remember seeing a statie.

I think if you went screaming past a cop well over the limit, you 'd get yanked, but as a general rule, speeding is largely unenforced due to what was seen as racism. Total crock, of course but there it is.


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Reparations can take many forms, and it apparently has now taken on the form of "Hall Passes" and "Get out of jail free cards" now.
 
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Why should a law-abiding citizen [who never gets pulled over] now bother with annual vehicle inspection or registration?
 
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Why should a law-abiding citizen [who never gets pulled over] now bother with annual vehicle inspection or registration?
It depends. Does everybody get a free pass? Or is it just the hood rats?



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I wonder how long it will take before vaccination paper inspections become a topic of racial disparity?
 
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There has to be some sort of exception to that rule, or do you mean to say I can fly down Main Street at a hundred miles an hour, pass up cops doing it, and fear no repercussions?


Here in WA, that would be a solid YES.

No pursuits for anything less than a Felony crime that involves imminent threat to life. With, mind you, PC for that.

As an example, if I get dispatched to an abduction of a child, with a vehicle description, suspect description as given to the dispatcher, and while driving to the scene see a vehicle and driver matching the description…. No pursuit. Not until I (or another Officer) gets a statement from the victim or witnesses sufficient to establish probable cause. Even then, better be able to articulate that “imminent threat”.

For just a plain ol “minor traffic violation” (say double or triple the limit)?

Not even. We can turn our lights on, but as soon as you gun it, we get to turn em off. Turn the lights off, and then, just in case the misunderstood victim of society’s oppressive legislation still feels put upon, we have to turn around and drive in the opposite direction.

This state is an awesome place to be a cop.

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Add to that, this nonsense:

https://timesnewsexpress.com/n...-drive-by-murderers/

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House Bill 1692 lessens the criminal penalties for drive-by shootings. It prohibits using a drive-by shooting as a basis for elevating a first degree murder charge to an aggravated first degree murder. The bill is also retroactive, lessening punishment for those already found guilty in drive-by shooting cases. It even offers carve-outs to release felons from jail if they committed their violent act when they were under 21-years-old.

The bill’s sponsors, state Representatives Tarra Simmons (D-Bremerton) and David Hackney (D-Tukwila), pre-filed the bill ahead of the Jan. 10, 2022, start to the legislative session. They claim this change promotes “racial equity in the criminal legal system.” It does no such thing. It merely goes easy on criminals who deserve lifetime jail sentences.


One of the bill's sponsors, Tarra Simmons, is a felon.

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In 2011 Simmons was sentenced to 30 months in prison for theft and drug crimes.[4] In 2017, she graduated from Seattle University School of Law with honors. After law school, she was not allowed to sit for the Washington State bar exam due to her status as a former convicted felon, thus she challenged the Washington State Bar Association rules in the Washington State Supreme Court and won with the court unanimously ruling in her favor. She was later sworn in as an attorney in the State of Washington on June 16, 2018.[5]

Simmons is the executive director for a nonprofit focused on assisting those that are formerly incarcerated, known as the Civil Survival Project. She and her husband Eric are the parents of three children.[6]

In 2020, Simmons was elected to the Washington House of Representatives for District 23-Position 1.[7] Her victory is assumed to be the first legislative race to be won by a felon in the state of Washington.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarra_Simmons




Mind you, I know this isn't riot stuff necessarily, but it's part of the general effort.


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There has to be some sort of exception to that rule, or do you mean to say I can fly down Main Street at a hundred miles an hour, pass up cops doing it, and fear no repercussions?


News in Jackson has exactly that on film. As bad as Memphis may be, per capita it's as bad or worse here in almost every way.



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WTF so you can't vote as a convicted felon but you can write the legislation to be voted on?!?! How do these people get elected?!?

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